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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 12:48am

I hope not just the 2 PvP servers are combined by themselves into a new server. All that would solve is instead of running Sardo the PvP servers could then run beth... yay!... :cookie:
What else can they do? can't just add people from a pve server and say gl in PVP. Unless pvp servers are willing to become pve servers i dont see hope for them.

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 1:29am

Please stay on topic. :D

Just a note in general, this isn't a thread for people to share their negative opinions on whether or not the merge actually happens.. It's also not a thread for people to say what is going to go wrong with the merge.. this thread is about guild/server combinations or what will happen with guilds etc.. that aspect of the merge.

There are plenty of other threads where you can go voice your opinion on why the merge wont happen or why the merge blah blah blah.. thanks.

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 1:32am

As Saito has said before, the PvP servers will not be merged into one. I vote one server, to prolong the life of the game. If you have 2 or more, you will encounter the same problem of dying servers in 6 months. People will have to learn to get along with each other, as they should have long ago. Yes, people are mean, you'll find them everywhere. If so, ignore them. What the game really needs is one large community..
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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 1:39am

I hope not just the 2 PvP servers are combined by themselves into a new server. All that would solve is instead of running Sardo the PvP servers could then run beth... yay!... :cookie:
What else can they do? can't just add people from a pve server and say gl in PVP. Unless pvp servers are willing to become pve servers i dont see hope for them.
Yes, PvP servers have mentioned various times they would be willing to convert to PvE when I have taken polls.

And to tie that into the topic... as I said before Indigo + Artemis + Osha plz :) (Rather 1 huge server though) And then like 3 equal endgame guilds to compete in siege war against, and also supply gear to the entire server without any monopolys.
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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 2:43am

I feel like what they are attempting to achieve with this won't happen unless they make it 1 giant server.. that being said I really doubt that is gonna happen. Based on the opinions I've seen from anyone who actually works for GF it doesn't sound like they want to make 1 big server. Any more than 2 total servers after the merge would be a huge mistake.

If it has to be this way then I suggest merging the servers like this:

Group 1-
#1 Population PVE server
#4 Population PVE server
Thalia
#1 Population PVP server

Group 2-
#2 Population PVE server
#3 Population PVE server
#5 Population PVE server
#2 Population PVP server

I feel like that would give the best distribution of players to both large servers if you have to make 2.

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 4:02pm

Would be better to keep the PVP guys on the same new server. That way they'd have more like minded players.
For the majority of PVE players there would be no issue on which server they ended up on, questing, siege etc is the same on any server for PVE. If you like PVP you want more PVP players.

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 4:21pm

People don't seem to realize that PvP no longer happens on the PvP servers. And regardless of that there isn't really a reason to have them together (if there were to be 2 servers).

And Mongo I couldn't agree more, mostly out of selfishness. #1 populated, #4 populated, #1 PvP, Thalia... Artemis/Osha/Indigo/Thalia!! :thumbsup:
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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 4:25pm

People don't seem to realize that PvP no longer happens on the PvP servers. And regardless of that there isn't really a reason to have them together (if there were to be 2 servers).

And Mongo I couldn't agree more, mostly out of selfishness. #1 populated, #4 populated, #1 PvP, Thalia... Artemis/Osha/Indigo/Thalia!! :thumbsup:


Yeah I realized it worked out that way just out of coincidence. I really think that would be the best way to merge them as far as getting a fair split of the endgame players. It also would work in my favor because that would put Reni and Govinda together, which is cool with me :D

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 4:40pm

I'd like to see how that would work in siege war too, even though im in support for 1 server total. But Knightshift/Bteam/Aurora all top 4 guilds right now in accordance to siege war... Would be interesting to see how mergers between the 3 would take place :p And to see who would be the new power house of siege war. (Hopefully multiple!)
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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 5:29pm

Yeah don't get me wrong, I think 1 server is the only way to fix the population problem for longer than a couple months. But if it comes down to something like this I would most likely try to join Bteam. Siege will surely be better than it is now, but I'm looking more towards the PVE aspect of the merge

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 7:13pm

If they do one server only, i hope they get a better server to run the game on so we might have less lag spikes.

Also no matter what they merge servers within others, i hope people keep a bunch of guilds alive and do not join one big guild, that would just make the control freaks ruin the game once more for others. Having a bunch of greedy people control the market for gear and stats makes it wrong for the rest of us.

I have few people on Reni that i will not run any instances with, they know who they are and will agree with me, lol. I think PUG's will always be the way to go for the community to thrive and grow. If you have exploiters/hackers/dupers, report them and get them out on the spot, do not wait months and then say : i knew what was happening but ..... and then wonder why you got banned lol. Merging the server might bring out the few that might remain, but the GM team seems to be going all out on them.

The merge will be a good thing for the game as long as they get it right on the first try. Saito I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE MY HOUSE AGAIN AND HOUSEKEEPERS PLEASE!!! or i will have you level them back all to their maximum capacity lol ;-)

Name for one of the servers : AWESOMNESS that sounds just right :thumbup:

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 7:42pm


If they do one server only, i hope they get a better server to run the game on so we might have less lag spikes.

Also no matter what they merge servers within others, i hope people keep a bunch of guilds alive and do not join one big guild, that would just make the control freaks ruin the game once more for others. Having a bunch of greedy people control the market for gear and stats makes it wrong for the rest of us.

I have few people on Reni that i will not run any instances with, they know who they are and will agree with me, lol. I think PUG's will always be the way to go for the community to thrive and grow. If you have exploiters/hackers/dupers, report them and get them out on the spot, do not wait months and then say : i knew what was happening but ..... and then wonder why you got banned lol. Merging the server might bring out the few that might remain, but the GM team seems to be going all out on them.

The merge will be a good thing for the game as long as they get it right on the first try. Saito I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE MY HOUSE AGAIN AND HOUSEKEEPERS PLEASE!!! or i will have you level them back all to their maximum capacity lol ;-)

Name for one of the servers : AWESOMNESS that sounds just right
While I do agree with you and pugs are the way to go in order to have a thriving economy instead of one or two endgame guild(s), and I see what you mean when you say you want all the guilds to remain the way they are. But many guilds will split up or many players will go elsewhere only because of Siege War, as Mongo said early, he can't wait for a merge to join a guild who can siege better than his current guild. And that will be the attitude of most players in most guilds. That being said, I think many guilds will still remain out of pure attachment of player-to-player in said guild(s).



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Love that idea of dividing the two servers. Although as I've said before and I'll say again, I would much rather prefer one large server for the maximum prolongation of Runes of Magic, but IF they did do that, that would definitely be the way-to-go. :sleeping:
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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 8:55pm

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I want 1 big server too, that is just my opinion on what should happen if they decide to make it 2 servers instead.

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I understand everything you are saying when it comes to guilds staying together and pugs being the best way to go, but.. And this is a huge but..

You know as well as I do that things don't work that way. Regardless of what people want or what may be the best way for the community to go, there will always be the larger endgame guilds running more than the pug groups and people will always go to the bigger guilds of they are given the choice. Here's why:

Large endgame guilds are the most organized groups of people on this game. They siege a certain way, they run instances more because they are geared better and comprised of like minded people that want to push content. They are not for causal players, they are for the hardcore elitists that want to be a step ahead of everyone else in the game. Those reasons make them much better places for people like myself to be if I want to run hard modes and gear myself with equipment that I actually farmed and stats I actually got myself.

If you aren't willing to put in the work then you have to be willing to accept that you won't have the best gear or the best stats and you won't get to run the highest instances. Some people on reni right now are fine with running bethomia hard mode... I'm absolutely not ok with that. It's embarrassing that we can't get together grotto runs at a minimum. VVV can but they don't run it as much as they used to.

Edit: Please excuse typing errors, did this on my phone while I was at work. Don't feel like looking for errors now that I'm home.. lol

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Thursday, November 13th 2014, 5:38pm

Slash and Mongo, you guys can have a conversation ;-) ty for that and i agree with what you guys are saying.

Don't forget that siege still has a maximum of 36 players max i think?, So what is the point of having a guild with 100 active members when they you have to pick who is going to siege? for me it would be unfair.

My gear and stats i got myself ;-) either by minigames, EOJ, mems etc, i traded a few, crafted a few but ya i did it my way. ;-)

Yes many aren't willing to run stuff, we have people that will not run because of the cost of gold to fix their gear, i think they are just lazy. Yes i am talking of some of my guildies and yes they know my feelings about that and are aware of my opinions on that. Some didn't want to use crafted gear and wanting only ENDGAME last instance gear. Until they compared crafted gear to the 100M price tag per piece of gear they wanted to get, lol. Then decided that it was almost as good and as Mongo said, they aren't willing to farm it themselves.

We have less players on the servers, true, but some have done it to themselves and here are a few of the reasons i have seen :

1- hackers and dupers gone and banned
2- Botters getting banned out
3- GM's doing a heck of a job
4- Exploiters gone or banned

For me people who cannot play the game as intended, are not willing to put in the time, finding a way to go around the rules etc have no business here. I have seen more people and guilds willing to help others now and i haven't seen that since 2009-10. I hope the server merge won't destroy all of that and people will understand that it might be the last chance for the game to get back to where it can be.

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Thursday, November 13th 2014, 8:26pm

zid your 1-4 reasons for lower population have probably impacted the servers the absolute least of any other reason

number one reason being price of diamond/ diamond to item shop cost ratio
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Friday, November 14th 2014, 1:22am

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I'm not hoping that there will be guilds with 100 active endgame players.. that would be ridiculous. Those guilds at the most could hope to get 2 full 12 mans going at once due to shortage of viable tanks and healers and would have everyone else standing around only doing siege.

I don't think anyone wants to be part of a 100 member endgame guild.. I sure as hell don't. But I will definitely throw my hat in for a 50 member guild (and I'm talking 50 active endgamers not including alts).. I could care less about siege if I get to run instances.. The only reason I siege now (or did siege until last week) is because PVE is dead on our server and that's the only way to stay active. If I get pve runs on a regular basis I have no need for siege. I have other means of getting my PVP fix via games that are a million times better pvp than siege war.

It's all well and good that people are willing to help others now.. yeah that's great.. I put in my time, I've helped more players gear up and run content than I care to remember.. I'm tired of helping people get to the next level.. It's me time now.. I wan't hardmode runs grotto or higher.. Reni isn't producing that, so until that changes I won't be active at all.. I don't think I've logged for more than 2 mins in a couple weeks now.. There's nothing to do at this point.

I hope this merge really does happen..

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Friday, November 14th 2014, 2:25am

Yeah, you may see a siege vs ppk with 36 members, but how many of them are alts sitting in siege? 12+?


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Friday, November 14th 2014, 3:43am

zid your 1-4 reasons for lower population have probably impacted the servers the absolute least of any other reason


I completely agree with this.

I just have to say, I'm really glad I'm not on Reni.. because Zid consistently makes it sound like the bad part Detroit.


I also completely agree with you Mongo.

Unfortunately I too barely even log on anymore. I log in, do my dailies, and log back out. I'm pretty much tapped out on my gear at this point until another level cap and until there's a decent amount of activity on the server to run worthy things.

I'm the only "active" person in my guild anymore, so on topic, I too will probably look in to moving to a more active guild once a server merge happens and I can see who is active, and what active end game guilds are not only active, but willing to take me.
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Friday, November 14th 2014, 2:24pm

I know exactly what you mean Mongo and i totally agree ;-) i was just making a point about 100+ active players in guilds. I also agree with the me time that you said lol, i have cut back on helping others for now, just because some people want to be dragged through instances and not actually learn and run it.

BTW if people complain about the diamond prices being one of the reasons for people leaving the game, well we all know who we have to thank for that. They put back diamonds in AH since we asked for it and the capitalist players tought it would be good to play wall street with it and then you end up with the prices we have today, pretty simple.

The people that left the game because the diamonds are now too expensive are the ones that caused the issue in the first place, so good ridance with them. i buy my own when i need them and support the game, always did.

Price in IS have been adjusted on a few things, i still think we should get double the amount of diamonds for real money, but that is just me. The fact that some people have the addiction of always having to redo gear every 2 levels is just ridiculous and unnecessary. Unless you want to burn, burn, burn and get bored within a week. And that makes the cost of playing astronomical for no reason imo.

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Friday, November 14th 2014, 4:23pm

I think we can argue all day on the reasons that people have left this game. There are plenty of them out there and all are correct in certain ways, but lets not. It really takes away from the point of this thread and that is to discuss the population effects of the server merge and throw in our opinions about what we think should happen.

I essentially made this thread to further the discussion about the merge in a positive and constructive way instead of just having one of those threads that devolves into arguments and off topic discussions or the all important "The merge isn't happening" rants.

So.. I'll bring up a new discussion that I think fits in with this thread.

Do you think every server does things the same way or will we find as we merge that other servers have strategies and ideas that we hadn't thought of?

Do you think that with servers merging the class combinations that are popular will narrow down or become more vast? It seems like there are always new classes being discovered as viable and they become more widely used on certain servers and not others.

As an example, Warden/Warrior is an amazing dps class (possibly the best in the game), but up until 5 or 6 months ago I hadn't seen anyone use it for dps in an instance on my server, and honestly I still don't very often. I know that it is more popular on some other servers as a dps than it is on Reni. I'm not sure if this is because of a deficiency of tanks that can hold the aggro or if people just don't know how viable it is.