Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Tuulikki"

What HAS affected the economies is the lack of players logging on to do more than mini-games/dailies. Whatever their lack of motivation is, i.e. waiting to see what happens with the server merges, not excited by the current content, w/e…the reality is the communities are not as involved as much outside of running siege as they used to be and it shows.

With the current state of the game a lot of players need to get passed their aversion to running in a pick-up group (Pug) and start running things. THAT is what will help put more items into the AH, not putting diamonds back in.

This isn't surprising. There's really little motivation for people to run normal mode (which, aside from easy mode, the the hardest a lot of guilds can barely do) when 85% of the gear is crap and the chances for each of the decent stats is 1 in 85. Hardmode has been burn in 15 seconds or die for awhile now, so I'm not surprised there's decreased interest among endgame players after they run it a few dozen times.

This is probably why there's a lot more people running around with full PvP gear than before, since that's what a lot of people log on for nowadays, to the point where it makes sense to spend that money to make a second set of gear.

Absolutes are an interesting thing and rarely exist. No correlation. I'll humbly disagree. My own experience tells me it had a big influence on my activity economically. The way to see it's effect is not to look at the short term, but at the long term. And long term, the cascading influence of people who changed their activity on every one who plays this game was fairly immense. That's an opinion. It is one I'm sticking with though.

Just rechecked the AH after the last post and I am wondering what fantasy land had that full Auction House or the recovered economy?
The Auction House is empty there is not a single end piece of gear or weapon. Some gear ends at level 35. Reni had a total of 5 white low level weapons in some categories. There were a couple weapons form the last update but none from this one. Bag gear is the best you can hope for in the Auction House today. Where is all the instance gear that drives the economy. It has been stoned out or sold to merchants. That is the sign of a totally failed economy.

The game's economy has gotten so bad that even the gold sellers have abandoned ROM. When the rats have left the sinking ship there is a problem.

Edited for clarity.

Quoted from "aardvark3"

Just rechecked the AH after the last post and I am wondering what fantasy land had that full Auction House or the recovered economy?
The Auction House is empty there is not a single end piece of gear or weapon. Some gear ends at level 35. Reni had a total of 5 white low level weapons in some categories. There were a couple weapons form the last update but none from this one. Bag gear is the best you can hope for in the Auction House today. Where is all the instance gear that drives the economy. It has been stoned out or sold to merchants. That is the sign of a totally failed economy.

The game's economy has gotten so bad that even the gold sellers have abandoned ROM. When the rats have left the sinking ship there is a problem.

Govinda's AH still has quite a bit gear mage gear (don't know about other gear types, I only check cloth). Lv 80 - 90 purple cloth still gives around 20 results on Govinda when I last checked.

Edit: Here's an Ah search I just did for cloth gear, with 36 results.

Just finished checking the Govinda Auction house.. There are 2 combined swords one level 79 and one level 13. A handful of hammers. Not much better for ranged weapons or axes. There are several daggers. There does appear to be some mage gear more than all the others. Even with that part of a page of cloth gear you have to look carefully it includes all cloth armor. There was several pages of each individual type of mage gear from boots to head gear last year. You cannot have a mmorpg with only 2 swords for sale. even staves had less than one full page for both there use to be pages before.
If you want a surplus of items you can look at accessories, there are pages like there use to be of every item. However it is almost all bag gear.

You can say there is almost a full page of cloth armor and say it is a success but when there use to be several pages of each of the many different types of cloth armor from boots to head gear etc. before. It is a broken economy.

Siochain from EN is totally opposite, AH full of gears for every class, statted or unstatted, proof or HM, but no buyers...

Seems US needs urgent merge to get things going.

Wouldn't count on that, artemis has plenty of gear to go around, only reason ah isnt full is people stopped buying so why waste abl's on unsellable gear. Gold on the server seems to lacking I spent over 1bill making a necklace and 2 months later couldn't even sell it for 300m (which the stats on it alone sold for much more only weeks ago) Gold sinks might be a little over effective, or just no one new is gearing. Either way, its hard to continue running content when it costs more to buff for it then you get out of running it :p I know other servers has problems with gear and not gold, and some have problems with both, but each one of these could be solved with new players. So come OP, join us!

Quoted from "Rougetopriest"

Wouldn't count on that, artemis has plenty of gear to go around, only reason ah isnt full is people stopped buying so why waste abl's on unsellable gear. Gold on the server seems to lacking I spent over 1bill making a necklace and 2 months later couldn't even sell it for 300m (which the stats on it alone sold for much more only weeks ago) Gold sinks might be a little over effective, or just no one new is gearing. Either way, its hard to continue running content when it costs more to buff for it then you get out of running it :p I know other servers has problems with gear and not gold, and some have problems with both, but each one of these could be solved with new players. So come OP, join us!

True story, running HM is waste of gold. I don't even remember when I sold something from HM last time...

Quoted from "Rougetopriest"

Wouldn't count on that, artemis has plenty of gear to go around, only reason ah isnt full is people stopped buying so why waste abl's on unsellable gear. Gold on the server seems to lacking I spent over 1bill making a necklace and 2 months later couldn't even sell it for 300m (which the stats on it alone sold for much more only weeks ago) Gold sinks might be a little over effective, or just no one new is gearing. Either way, its hard to continue running content when it costs more to buff for it then you get out of running it :p I know other servers has problems with gear and not gold, and some have problems with both, but each one of these could be solved with new players. So come OP, join us!

On Govinda the last few ABL sales I was trying to sell OD/UD gears from GrottoH + PomH for 5-10mil + ABL each and nobody was buying anything. I refuse to waste the dias/ABLs for the stuff to rot in the AH lol

Quoted from "Lolim"

On Govinda the last few ABL sales I was trying to sell OD/UD gears from GrottoH + PomH for 5-10mil + ABL each and nobody was buying anything. I refuse to waste the dias/ABLs for the stuff to rot in the AH lol

The problem with buying GoHH and PoMH gear (for mages anyways, i can't speak for other classes, but I assume it's about the same) is that even when people sell at those low gold prices for the gear itself, the boost going to those sets from the BethH and BelaH is way to slim to even bother upgrading to them relative to the cost in diamonds.

Quoted from "acypcar90"

The problem with buying GoHH and PoMH gear (for mages anyways, i can't speak for other classes, but I assume it's about the same) is that even when people sell at those low gold prices for the gear itself, the boost going to those sets from the BethH and BelaH is way to slim to even bother upgrading to them relative to the cost in diamonds.

I agree, sadly you only gain like 50 crit and 150 attack or w/e the actual amounts are between the 5 level increase in gears

Figured id chime in here..

I actually prefer to always sell on auction house, due to i dont get to play too often anymore.... SO i would depend on things selling while i was offline...
But im going on 5 years here with this game (not comparing) but ive noticed there are tons and tons of people who.. quite frankly are scared or intimidated by OP's selling gear in world or trade etc.

When someone says Selling X item , and you decide to whisper them asking how much?
They reply with... make me an offer...
Now here comes the question... oh gdi... what if my price is too low... then OP will either A-not reply back...B call me a jerk etc... or C call me out in world for ridiculous price, and make me never whisper anyone again due to embarassment.

Or say your price is too high, and OP jumps at price, and then later you find out from guildy or a friend, that you screwed yourself bad...

All of this makes more than half of population fear buying.

A lot of people (like me) enjoy looking at auction house with a buy it now feature..., i know what i need to save up... and i can possibly ask OP if he would just shave some off top,, which most are inclined to do.

Same goes for diamonds....

It was 100 Times easier to just open AH scroll through diamonds... and buy what you wanted... when you wanted... without having to deal with anyones crap.

I for one just say make GF, Runewaker, W/e make a cap on how high you can sell diamonds... make it... 100k or 150k i dont care... if SOMEONE, sets a high and low marker on the most important currency... we the people... can set a better economy surrounding that said price... and can actually stabilize a said economy if theres some sort of standard to follow.

I for one admit ive spent thousands on this game, and cannot spend anymore money on this game, so i have to restrategize how i play game, i do not think i can stay bleeding edge on gear like i always tried to be and a "scrut-----" without spending money like i did, due to how little i play.

For anyone confused... i believe you can be free to play easily here... just need to play like 12 hours a day... everyday lol but if you only play say a couple hours a day, and usually reserved for runs/siege... it doesnt give you a lot of time for self help so to say without spending money.

Well... i havent posted anything in a while and i rambled quite a bit there.... lol gonna stop before i cant!

Farmertom sure put out a few good points.

Bruiserboy any chance you could change the title of this post to something like "State of the Game---sorta dead/server choice plz help"

That way we can continue with a good discussion of the state of the game without a GM closing your thread.

I think my solution is better but thanks for thinking of me.

Omg i totally agree with farmertom on the point of whispering "how much?" And getting a reply of "offer"

if I ask how much and someone says "offer" i don't even reply. If you are a seller, and dont come at someone with a base price that tells me that either

A.) You weren't prepared and should have waited til you understood the fair value of your item

or more likely

B.) You're trying to take advantage of the people buying and seeing if they'll overpay for it.

Everyone needs to cut that crap out.

If you sell something in world shout, list your price with it.


And likewise, if you're buying something, for example whatever someone just world shouted, and the price is too high, whisper the seller anyways and try to haggle with them.

Idk anyone on Govinda who wouldn't be willing to at least entertain a counter offer. Will everyone always agree on a price? No. But I know from personal experience this community is willing to work something out with selling things.

I'd be willing to bet people are willing to negotiate on price on other servers too.

I prefer AH myself. Haggling, quite often, leads to bad feelings. I understand the equipment dilemma, though. Sometimes people want to know people are interested before they put in the expenditure of unbinding it. I've expressed my feelings about the bound equipment in these forums before, though.

One thing id like to add... is for GF/Runewaker w/e someone.... to make up some sort of a daily promotion to where people can get 5-20 diamonds a day... for FREEEE.
People say IM FREE TO PLAY WHY CANT YOU... regardless... SOMEONE SOMEWHERE bought those diamonds, so technically nobody could EVER be free to play on this game...

Make it something where we promote ROM somewhere someway (advertising FOR you), by liking ROM on some websites, or talking about rom to others, and in return for us helping you... you help us...

AND i know some people will be like thats stupid. But i didnt think this up myself, its already being done "somewhere else", and for going to 5 different websites and "liking" Rom and promoting how good it is, you can get up to 20 diamonds a day.

One hand washes the other....so to say.

But we at ROM always like to be different, it would be nice for ROM's creative team to come up with ways this could happen.... or even other players here in this thread can come up with ideas, that the creative team could sort out.

I dont care if you only give 5 diamonds a day per account... anything is much appreciated.

And dont worry, your bottom end sales wont decline at all, the same people that buy diamonds regularly... will still buy them... when you have a good sale... people will flood for them like they always do....

But it could open up an entire new fanbase, and for a ton of new players to be able to start playing this game, and NOT quit when they find out how much game revolves around diamonds... and theres zero ways to get them for free.

It would give people a reason to log in daily... and look forward to something in return, (hey if i save up 100 diamonds) i can buy those puries i really need and finish this piece of gear.... so to say...

TLDR there needs to be some sort of a way in this game, whether its a tiny tiny amount, to get diamonds for working.

I truly have best intentions with my comments, just throwing ideas into the hat, and hoping others throw in some more.

Well normal gear can be combined with crafted gear to get the skill bonuses from it. Ah yes not as good as hardmode so must be useless, then hardmode gear is pretty useless because POM gear is better? loll

For people playing the game and wanting to have fun, normal mode gear with crafted set is more than fine, you can get mem accessories or POM if you can get them from event or world bosses and do perfectly fine on runs. If anybody looks at endgamers on Reni they will see them wearing belt/pants and gloves from the crafted set, why? cause they can sell hardmode stuff for 100M and get crafted for around 10M OD.

Players mentality has to change towards getting gear and weapons in the game, what good is it to have hardmode gear if you can't even run it? oh i have all orange stats but can't get on runs etc. You will looking nice and shinny but run nothing. That is why the economy of the game is down the drain also, people spend too much time wanting and not running, then you have those special individuals that will try to drag you down and say you are good for nothing etc.

Let's try to band together and get things done!!! As of this week on Reni i will offer my tanking services for instances TOSH and up, i don't care about dying, don't care about the gold cost of fixing gear or golden hammers if needs be. I see so many whine that it costs them gold to fix their gear and death debt etc, big angel sigh and an hour of farming mobs and you have enough gold. You can also get simple repair hammers, master simple hammers, as a tank i always get hit the most in instances and i don't care, want to get quests done, mems and the achievement of that instance.

Too many guilds puts players or smaller guilds down because they are afraid of them working together and easily surpassing them. Get your fingers out of your noses and let's run stuff RENI!!!!!! Let's show people what scrubs can do together!!!!! tyvm

3 comments:

@topic: at this point, everybody is simply holding their breath. the server merge WILL help the game immeasurably, assuming it goes well. that being said, if all doesn't go to plan, I foresee a ch4 scout era exodus, which, with the current population, would be the final nail in the coffin. houses being closed is also not helping the population.

@"offer" comments(no one from palenque reni or isiltir read this :P ): when people say "offer" I normally low ball simply because if they won't give me a price to choose from, I'll pick a price I like, if its not good enough, then I don't even try to pursue it. that being said, I regularly respond with "offer" simply because I normally don't have a lower limit for sales, as they are usually the result of me clearing my crap out, so aside from supplying an abl, I don't care what people pay.

@crafted/normal/easy mode gear: the biggest inhibition in this game is the cost to mod gear. if a set of gear cost $50 to mod, you'll see more people follow natural gear progression(easy/crafted>normal>hard, with levels, etc), and regear more often(then run next instance for drops, regear with those, etc), but when you are spending 80%+ of the price of gearing in level/stat-INdependent mods, why are you going to mod less than BiS gear? its like paying for a brand new car and getting last years model. sure, it may be new, but its not what you should have gotten for what you paid. along the same lines, you don't see people raising an amazing pet egg from 5->50 while they are waiting to get a holy pet egg....same concept.

Ive never had any beef with crafted gear at all what is it like 5% or so difference?

Anyone that runs endgame knows scruts change every boss fight, all depends on number of crits. YOu can have 3 identical players, playing same class with diyce, w/e everything the same, and all 3 scruts will be different everytime. Luck has such a great factor.

But yes i do agree, there are a lot of people including myself sometimes, that HAS to have the bleeding edge best gear out there, so they can flaunt it and walk around shoulders high so to say lol.

But us... as players, need to help the up and comers of the game understand these things we are saying on the forums,

We need to do better in teaching them, and helping them, and helping them understand the fundamentals of what to do and when to do it so to say.

And before people whine about my diyce reference... only was used for example purposes or portraying all three people are doing exact same thing. with exact same buffs.

When me shin and saela would all run wd/w, literally every fight was different, never one consistently beating the other.

1) Gear is not a problem, crafted is fine, you dont need hard mode now days, accessories can use from quest + ments, stats-many options, even bag stats are very strong. Pom event - recently finished, could easily get stats/gear too.

2) The problem is not gear/stats, problem is many people dont want to try, dont want to go to instance. All pom - most just prefer to sell for crazy price, including stats, which is fine I guess, but very few actually use it to boost their own toons.

3) Quote from zidlef" "...Too many guilds puts players or smaller guilds down because they are afraid of them working together and easily surpassing them." This is simply [nonsense] ::cough::. I can assure you, 99% endgame players would love nothing more then to have more end game players to run with, does not have to be in the same guild.

4) Cost of +ing gear is an issue, I agree, but again for many cases there is no need to be bleeding edge with all t7/t8 all +16 etc - I would say knowing how to play your toon, be smart in terms of what you bring into party, be able to adjust and willing to learn, that's what in my opinion is important.

Anyway, could not let cerb have all the glory

Have fun.