Runes of Magic US / AU

Only macro I use for fighting on any of my 3 main toons is for my ch/wl to use either rune pulse or dark energy strike based on if I have chain drive on or not. Would be quite easy to not use a macro.

I don't think this thread should devolve to DIYCE/Macro hate, though, as it deals with how RoM is supposed to be a MMORPG but isn't really one.

To the OP:

Simply by definition, RoM is technically still an MMORPG. I will agree though that it is starting to feel more like an RPG right now.

As this thread has shown, we all have our opinions about the root causes of what is diminishing the game in our eyes. Some we agree on, others we don’t. For me, the biggest problem we face at the moment is not one specific game element or another. It is that we are showing way too much acceptance and engaging in mis-communication.

We accept a buggy game because even though we complain we still play. We accept unbalanced combos because we even though we complain we still play the non-OP classes. We complain about burn vs strategy but fail at creating strategy guides ourselves. We complain we don’t like gashas but still have people spending thousands of diamonds on them every time they go on sale. We complain about IS prices but still have players buying diamonds when they aren’t even on sale to buy more and more or to sell to their online friends.

The thing is we can SAY pretty much anything we want to but our words and our ACTIONS are rarely supporting what we say. Until we put our words into action then nothing will change, it will just be more of the same.

Quoted from "Tuulikki"

We accept a buggy game because even though we complain we still play. We accept unbalanced combos because we even though we complain we still play the non-OP classes. We complain about burn vs strategy but fail at creating strategy guides ourselves. We complain we don’t like gashas but still have people spending thousands of diamonds on them every time they go on sale. We complain about IS prices but still have players buying diamonds when they aren’t even on sale to buy more and more or to sell to their online friends.

The thing is we can SAY pretty much anything we want to but our words and our ACTIONS are rarely supporting what we say. Until we put our words into action then nothing will change, it will just be more of the same.

True story, we are all hypocrites in that matter

I am not of hypocrite :\

I play the most underpowered class, sure. But I'm making efforts to try and fix that by all means I have readily available...

If you dont have resources to be endgamer just made a good buffer like ch/p... I see lots of mid geared rogues, warmages and wardens that are useless for a endgame instances. A good buffer is always welcome in party, the problem is that everybody wants to be at the top of the scrut.

Any new toons I make are combos that no one I know of have ever tried playing. That was how it was with my wl/p and it is how it is with my current ch/wl I'm building. Once I get it geared, i will compare it's dps to a ch/r's dps (because they should have very similar dps on paper) using the same gear and the respective buffs available to each class.

Gigi is absolutely right about what he is saying about Palenque. I think you would have to be on that server to understand. The group that he is talking about would rather run instances with their own alts to remain the most OP, to get the best of the best this game has to offer without having to share with others. That way they have a way better chance of getting that OD gear. For example if you go in with 3 alts that is 4 chances to get that OD Gear. There are people that play buffing classes that are able to run, people that play DPS that are well geared and statted that are able to run, but would never get invited with this particular group. It has nothing to do with being able to run, it has more to do with selfishness.

After saying all of this, I think it is a problem with the game itself which enables these players to be able to do this. To write scripts for alts to be able to replace real players. I think it is time for ROM to bring strats back to Instances, where the focus is on the strats rather than on your 4 buffing alts that you have following you. There is nothing more rewarding than to run an instance with a party of real players all working together to figure out strats. When you do this and then kill that boss, it is a rush and so exhilarating you cannot wait to get back in there to do it again.

Everyone that I talk to these days on Palenque are anxiously waiting on the Merger. Everyone is looking forward to having more people to make instances with, to maybe have a chance to enjoy the game again. It appears that ROM is procrastanating on Phase 2 and people are getting restless.

Pyper
Palenque

ALTs are only really useful if you can burn the bosses. I saw darktouchs recent pom video where they literally had 2 DPS and that was it. Well for pom and maybe HoE this works. But won't work in crypt (at least not every boss) so eventually people are gonna be forced to take real players. But then again I have nothing against ALTs, if that's how people wanna play who are we to stop them. Can't tell someone how to play ROM can we? But yes would be nice to see more players in runs together then ALTs, helps the atmosphere more then if its just 3-4 people and rest are ALTs xD

Quoted from "Cenre"

ALTs are only really useful if you can burn the bosses. I saw darktouchs recent pom video where they literally had 2 DPS and that was it. Well for pom and maybe HoE this works. But won't work in crypt (at least not every boss) so eventually people are gonna be forced to take real players. But then again I have nothing against ALTs, if that's how people wanna play who are we to stop them. Can't tell someone how to play ROM can we? But yes would be nice to see more players in runs together then ALTs, helps the atmosphere more then if its just 3-4 people and rest are ALTs xD

Your right, people can and will play the game how ever they want, no one has the right to tell anyone how to play. It is the atmosphere and with the population being so small it is always in everyone's face and it is noticed by all. It's like living in a small town where everyone knows everybody else's business, compared to living in a big city where they won't be noticed.

Most people just dislike the selfishness of the whole thing and the bad attitude that goes along with this. With the merge hopefully having a larger population, we can forget about these people and find more mature people to run with. The Merge is very important to everyone at this point. People that love this game do not want to leave it, and the Merger is like the light at the end of the Tunnel.

Pyper

Limit a player to 10 buffs/debuffs then you would have to bring real people with you into the instances instead of alts. This would create the need for more players and more people would have to be involved with the game. It could become multiplayer again instead of multibuff. The more buffs you get and can keep the less you need real people.

A limit of 10 buffs/debuffs would only drive people away, making it less multiplayer because there will be so few people left. There's your personal class buffs, there's party buffs, there's guild buffs (that a lot of guilds spend a lot of time and resources on achieving), there's housekeeper buffs, there's zodiac buffs, there's pet active buff skills, there's IS buffs. I doubt you run around all the time with a maximum of 10 buffs/debuffs in instances and sw.

the problem I personally have with it is it simply shouldn't be possible. thats just poor game design. from what I've seen though, crypt is much, much better.

Quoted from "Cike"

i can tell you right now i'd stop playing if they removed macros, and i don't even have any combat macros. all of the ones i use are pure convenience macros (summoning arrows, switching ISS, switching titles, feeding pet, summoning pet, buying stacks, hammering gear, switching gear, etc). if you aren't using macros for things like this, i pity you.

Well i don't use macros like the one you mentionned here. So pity me, i don't care lol

diyce is not that common anymore i've found. that being said, the people with diyce for pvp don't have the flexibility that a manual player does -> no advantage. diyce for pve really doesn't do anything either(no real dps increase).

You should speak to Ghostwolf before making assumptions here


all in all, removing macros would achieve nothing but piss people off. a good number of people are already somewhat discouraged by the current meta, cost of gearing, constant crashing, the lag, the imbalance, and the rest of the laundry list of complaints. please zid, think of the repurcussions before you open your mouth for a suggestion.

Big nasty words here didn't know we could use these words on the forums?
Cost of gearing? try to keep your gear for more than 2 or 3 levels, cheaper ( Also SG was so long this year everyone should have plusses)
Crashing? i rarely crash, i can stay logged in from one maintenance to another no issues and running 8 accounts on main computer
Lag? maybe try to get another internet provider and not one at 56K
Imbalance, well do like every other sheep in the game and pick a FOTM since Gameforge only cares about money, not players
I always think before i open my mouth but guess you still don't get my opinions and how they are meant to be read

People well know what the thread is about and what people are doing in instances and nothing will change that, Gameforge seems to be at the end with this game sadly. They could make it obligated 12 man in the instance and on boss fights and if caught using bots/buffers 30 day vacation and 2nd time caught , permabanned and see ya in a thousand years. But we would lose so many players LMAO, not a MMORPG anymore, hasn't been since TOSH days.

Really hope whoever reported my post gets a vacation, i know the truth hurts but no rules were broken here by me.

Quoted from "Jada28"

Quoted from "Cenre"

ALTs are only really useful if you can burn the bosses. I saw darktouchs recent pom video where they literally had 2 DPS and that was it. Well for pom and maybe HoE this works. But won't work in crypt (at least not every boss) so eventually people are gonna be forced to take real players. But then again I have nothing against ALTs, if that's how people wanna play who are we to stop them. Can't tell someone how to play ROM can we? But yes would be nice to see more players in runs together then ALTs, helps the atmosphere more then if its just 3-4 people and rest are ALTs xD

Your right, people can and will play the game how ever they want, no one has the right to tell anyone how to play. It is the atmosphere and with the population being so small it is always in everyone's face and it is noticed by all. It's like living in a small town where everyone knows everybody else's business, compared to living in a big city where they won't be noticed.

Most people just dislike the selfishness of the whole thing and the bad attitude that goes along with this. With the merge hopefully having a larger population, we can forget about these people and find more mature people to run with. The Merge is very important to everyone at this point. People that love this game do not want to leave it, and the Merger is like the light at the end of the Tunnel.

Pyper

Pyper, first I have to say you and I see pretty much the same on many things. Its a shame Reni isn't merging with Osha as I would like the opportunity to run with more people like you. Nobody is going to tell me what class to play for example. I will take my r/p class to my grave and those who don't like the fact I am coming after there "uber" classes can [edited]. There are still complications to deal with that I am not going to get into here or else this thread will be the "parry talk" thread going in useless circles over and over.

That being said the merger wont solve much of anything. There isn't enough of a population at this time on all the severs together to change from a small town atmosphere to the big city one. I want to have a positive view point and hope the server will make a difference, but he reality is the game will still be the same game. Class balance issues, buff class issues, greed issues, fail gasha issues etc etc. A few more people on the server wont matter when most of those people still abuse the greed/mechanics the game allows/forces to be abused.

Banning people for buffing with ALTs? Thought you just said you thought before you speak... There is no rule to force you to take players, nor should there be. As for lag, ROM lags regardless of your connection, you yourself complain about the servers a lot in other threads, and I find it hard to believe you could stay online for a week on multiple accounts without crashing. What are you doing? Standing in your house crafting for a week? Go run endgame content and see how long you last without crashing.

Well i don't have issues in instances or siege, the complains that i used to have were based on the fact that on my way to the ROM servers, i was encountering a bad switch in the state of Washington but after contacting them, they fixed it, twice in a month.

Well i don't dual box, i have some on crafting, some doing minigames, dailies and my 2 mains run instances. But other people also play around with their clients or coding of it, might still use that little folder or just have bad cheap internet or an old computer. Some uses auto login program to do dailies, minis etc since they only have one hour a day and cannot afford to be here all day, not sure if this is allowed but ah well, seems these days people can do whatever they want since so little are left in game.


But then again we go with what we can get and you get what you pay for like everything else.

Daniel i totally agree with you and Pyper but so many just don't care like we do.

The more buffs you have the less people you need to do anything. As the number of buffs available increased the game population decreased. People run with alts because that way they can play the game without any other people and keep all the drops for themselves. The control of the best items in the game remains in the hands of a very few because they don't need other people to get the best items and keep it all for themselves.
The concept of multiple buffs only increases the class imbalance because they work off the base stats of the character and every buff magnifies the difference which may be minor without buffs or a couple of buffs but by the time you get up to 20 or 30 buffs it is insane. If you want a quick and easy class balance limit the buffs.
The concept of so many buffs is killing this game and making it controllable by a few characters. Just another reason we are losing people.

Lmfao @ relating dwindling game population to the use of buff alts.

The use of buff alts should be applauded as it allows players to kill bosses and get loot that might not otherwise be obtainable (because people aren't online, or they aren't geared enough or theey aren't good enough or they don't play a class that can contribute to a group.

If people don't want to take you, find better friends or find some other motivated people to run with.

Quoted from "Jada28"

Quoted from "Cenre"

ALTs are only really useful if you can burn the bosses. I saw darktouchs recent pom video where they literally had 2 DPS and that was it. Well for pom and maybe HoE this works. But won't work in crypt (at least not every boss) so eventually people are gonna be forced to take real players. But then again I have nothing against ALTs, if that's how people wanna play who are we to stop them. Can't tell someone how to play ROM can we? But yes would be nice to see more players in runs together then ALTs, helps the atmosphere more then if its just 3-4 people and rest are ALTs xD

Your right, people can and will play the game how ever they want, no one has the right to tell anyone how to play. It is the atmosphere and with the population being so small it is always in everyone's face and it is noticed by all. It's like living in a small town where everyone knows everybody else's business, compared to living in a big city where they won't be noticed.

Most people just dislike the selfishness of the whole thing and the bad attitude that goes along with this. With the merge hopefully having a larger population, we can forget about these people and find more mature people to run with. The Merge is very important to everyone at this point. People that love this game do not want to leave it, and the Merger is like the light at the end of the Tunnel.

Pyper

Must be really different over there...


I really can't imagine any instance loot worth fighting over like that (aside from HoE, and even then, in HoE it seems to be the mob drops and not that boss drops that's coveted, and mob drops people just solo farm themselves.)
Its not like in ch4 where people will sell their soul for HM drops. Nowadays, HM gear goes on the AH for the price of an ABL or less and it just sits there on the AH for months. The gear is just not worth the upgrade for most people, and with all these PoM events, everyone is using that for gear upgrades nowadays.

Quoted from "aardvark3"

Limit a player to 10 buffs/debuffs then you would have to bring real people with you into the instances instead of alts. This would create the need for more players and more people would have to be involved with the game. It could become multiplayer again instead of multibuff. The more buffs you get and can keep the less you need real people.

Quoted from "aardvark3"

The more buffs you have the less people you need to do anything. As the number of buffs available increased the game population decreased. People run with alts because that way they can play the game without any other people and keep all the drops for themselves. The control of the best items in the game remains in the hands of a very few because they don't need other people to get the best items and keep it all for themselves.
The concept of multiple buffs only increases the class imbalance because they work off the base stats of the character and every buff magnifies the difference which may be minor without buffs or a couple of buffs but by the time you get up to 20 or 30 buffs it is insane. If you want a quick and easy class balance limit the buffs.
The concept of so many buffs is killing this game and making it controllable by a few characters. Just another reason we are losing people.

Pretty sure you're posting your absurd ideas in the wrong thread.

Pyper I agree with you, however I can also agree with what TWMXC said, its up to those certain players what they wanna run and how they want to run it :p There isn't too much to be said anymore as this thread is bouncing between 100 different topics I there isn't any point in posting a reply to any or all of them. The community is so small now we all know where each other stands on most topics. And we can all list many things wrong with the game, but nothing will change, with the game or with peoples opinions until Gameforge decides to step-up with some major change, which will either kill this game completely, or let it thrive some I and some others may think it deserves to.