Runes of Magic US / AU

Difference being HoE set is 3 runs and 75 greens. HoC is 1 run and somr essence farms in other inis. Which IMO works fine if the droprate on them was changed. Did a full hoe run before and seen 0...

while I agree that the work to get a brown weapon is beyond stupid .... the brown weapon difference between it and a sandos is equally beyond stupid. So if you want to make it easier to get then you should reduce the damage of it. A t10 (t11 maybe)brown comes out better then a t13 sandos. Not to metion the extra dexterity and crit rate that goes with it.

hmm...a lvl 90 epic weapon is a whole lot better than the lvl 80 standard HM drop....yeap, sounds about right.

Quoted from "Cike"

hmm...a lvl 90 epic weapon is a whole lot better than the lvl 80 standard HM drop....yeap, sounds about right.

Not at all. If you keep with the pattern RoM has been using since day one. A level 80 weapon will stay "the best" dagger till level 90 at which point a level 90 weapon should only be slightly better than one tier upgrade. Aka a t11 sandos should be a little less than a t10 brown. The scale of it is insane and hence so should the work to obtain it should be. I am not opposed to Tien's suggestion of making it easier to obtain long as the reward of it matches the work easier == less epic.

compare standard HM to standard HM.

use the crypt hard dagger for comparison.

the epic weapons already don't fit the pattern, don't try and force them into it and complain they are wrong.

I find this post hilarious myself. Some of us are still waiting to run POMH and cannot do it because there is not enough server population to get people that are able to do it. Meanwhile you guys are crying about Brown weapons being to hard to get, but you have managed to farm 12 sets from HOE. Yes I know your OP and all that and you need stuff to keep you interested in the game, but AT LEAST you can run every instance there is available to you, and even tho the mats are hard to get, your still able to run to farm them, can't you guys be happy with that?. I would say your in about 10% of the North American population that can do this, while the other 90% just sit around doing nothing waiting for the Merge. Very Funny I think.

I also agree with Daniel when he said about the weapons "The scale of it is insane and hence so should the work to obtain it should be. I am not opposed to Tien's suggestion of making it easier to obtain long as the reward of it matches the work easier == less epic".

Pyper

I'll have to take a look at the coming weapons again, but I think that there is a good chance that the HoC weapons will go the way of CV weapons on at least some of the servers.

Crystal of Destinyx3, Dreamland Crystalx3, Crystal of Illusion,Haidon's Special Catalystx10(wait theres more)


Crystal of Destiny:
-Voidal Energy Essencex5
-Earth Vein Essence
-Fantastic Dreamglasss
-Fantasic Alloy
-Haidon's Special Catalystx5

Fantastic Dreamglass:
-Water Essencex5
-Earth Vein Essence
-Haidon's Special Catalystx5

Fantasic Alloy:
-Fire Essencex5
-Earth Vein Essence
-Fantastic Dreamglass
-Haidon's Special Catalystx5


SOOO...


Where/how are these obtained "Dreamland Crystalx3, Crystal of Illusion"?


also I'd just like confirmation that I can't do math so, in total we'd need:


15 void essence
15 fire essence
30 water essence
45 earth essence


right?

Saito, you are just EPIC ;-) Jada i would go as far as saying 5% and the other 95% waits around sadly. But hopefully the merge will fix that and people waist less time arguing on the forums and run more stuff instead ;-)

And as for the benefit over brown, orange, yellow, blue, green who cares, stop the racism!! LMAO

Yea I realize what you meant, that people on other servers have farmed the essences needed only from the instances that have been released ^.^

You did answer my question though with your breakdown on the calculation of essences needed, thank you

You do realize what a ridiculous amount of essence that is right? Have you actually tried farming them yourself? 75 took hours upon hours upon hours of trash farming, and you're looking at nearly doubling that. For every single person.

The droprate on essences is stupidly low, and if you think that it's fine, you're an idiot.

i 100% agree its too hard but at same time... dont need those weapons to complete any content, any want/need of them is based purely on epeen. i want one too of course who doesnt?

Farming greens makes me want to scratch my eyes out lol.

But not needed to clear anything this game has to offer and most likely upcoming content too.

You cannot cry about not being able to do op instances and compare to the new epic instances.

If you're having issues with new stuff, farm mobs in the new epic instances. Get essences. Sell to people. Make ALL THE MONEY.

You know how much money you could make SELLING ESSENCES? A <blank> TON. You would have so much gold that you'd be able to get the gear to be able to run PoMH or CoE, and then realize that you are all too lazy to create what is necessary to complete the instances. Whether that be alts, strat, or skill to your player. -- (and realize what endgamers must THEMSELVES GRIND to get those instances. WE DON'T SIT ON OUR <blank> AND HOPE THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO THE <blank> FOR THEM. WE MUST (because RW fails to see their idiotic instance logic) Level our own alts to 90/90, even 50/50, 70/70 (thats already tons of gold) It is so hard to find food / pots on Artemis... I can't even find music materials anymore. Thank god Faspee and Kaysia fill our vault with the donations from the guildies in the form of honor points and mentos. But still that means self farming for music mats / pot and food mats. That's time, time is money. Time is gold. so.. more gold. We must level our OWN ALTS to 70 to LEGALLY POWERLEVEL more powerlevel legal alts to powerlevel more alts because it is SO OUT OF THE WAY to level in rom. So that's getting a 16 slotted character with appropriate stats and when that toon levels past 72, gotta unbind and give to another alt. TIME IS GOLD. CANNOT SAY THAT TIME IS JUST TIME. That's all hard work. WE DONT GET SPOONFED LIKE THE FILTHY CASUALS WANT TO BE. I digress.) --

Once you get to the point of an endgamer and realize legitimate complaints are legitimate, you can complain about the complaints.

For any of the 99% who haven't stepped into HoE (this is super easy btw) I'll run down how to kill mobs.

1.) Pull one at a time (silences or watch pat [THAT MEANS PATROL, THEY ARE MOBS THAT MOVE AROUND, NOT STATIONARY])
2.) Kill that mob.
3.) Loot that mob and hope it dropped an essence.
4.) Repeat until you have killed all mobs up to first boss.

Can we get a time frame of that? With a simple duo, could take 30 mins. With a nice op party, 7-10. A casual party is about 12-15. If you have loot drop [THAT CAP IS 500% GO OVER THAT AND UVE RUIND ALL YOUR CHANCES SO KEEP TRACK OF THIS. THIS IS A 12 MAN INSTANCE SO BE KNOWLEDGABLE OF ALL YOUR LOOT BUFFS. ROGUES HAVE 20% PASSIVE, MAX PETS HAVE 5%. THEY ALL ADD UP. WINGS. ETC.] So after your casual 12-15 minute run and you have ~450% drop rate... you will typically have 2 essences. You need 25 for accessories.

25.

25 / 2 = 12.5 runs.

12.5 * 15 = 187.5 minutes. = 3.125 hours.

3 accessory set.

3.125 hours x 3 = 9.375 hours to farm essences.

You also need to kill all but last boss for mats, that's more time. You also need to kill last boss 3 times. So add about 3 hours for 1 person for that farming (this is assuming you aren't 100% efficient, our best times were just over 30 minutes due to CD timers and last boss anti-burn mechanic [OMG DID HE SAY ANTI BURN OMG. YEAH BUT THEN 2 MOBS SPAWN AND TARGET ANYONE RANDOMLY AND HIT FOR 60% EACH LOL PHOENIX OR GET BOOTED FROM PARTY)

Still, 9.375 + 3 = 12.375 hours for one person to get 3 accessories.

Guild of 12 active members:

12.375 * 12 = 148.5 hours. 6.1875 days of farming.

Remember it already costs 200 mil to open Hoe (atm it is broken and open forever... but you understand) and it is only opened for 3 days.

Also, that's 6 days of BEING IN ROM, INGAME TIME. YOU WILL NEED TO PLAY ROM FOR OVER 6 DAYS TO HELP YOUR 12-CORE. For one person, it's 12.375 hours of complete ingame time, but drop rates (that are free and one-time) = 2 to 3 hours. So you can split that 12.375 into 4 days.

Weapon math:

120 essences for one weapon

120 / 2 = 60 runs (through the various instances)

We can safely say that farming the HoE mobs = ~15 minutes, but not having stepped foot into the harder epics I cannot give an accurate number. The mobs are stronger tho, so logically we can say they are harder to kill aswell. For that reason, I am adding 5 minutes per harder instance (based off 15... water=20,fire=25,chaos=30) I will also assume that there are the same numbers of mobs until first boss. Not more, and not less. Again, these numbers may NOT be accurate.

15x Essences/Chaos = 15 x 30 = 450 minutes
60x Essences/Earth = 60 x 15 = 900 minutes
30x Essences/Water = 30 x 20 = 600 minutes
15x Essences/Fire = 25 x 15 = 375 minutes.

450 + 900 + 600 + 375 = 2,325 minutes for one weapon. 38.75 hours. 1.614 days.

12-core guild.

19.375 INGAME DAYS INGAME FARMING. KEEP IN MIND MOST REUSABLE BUFFS LAST 2-3 HOURS. I FEEL LIKE DOING 19.375 * 3 = 58.1 DAYS IS THE CORRECT MATH TO DO BECAUSE OF THE 3 HOUR REUSABLE LOOT BUFF LIMIT, BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG. YOU GET THE POINT.

SAY HOW PRIVLEDGED SOMEONE IS WITHOUT BEING IN THEIR POSITION AGAIN. ASSUME. ASSUME ONE MORE TIME.

Assuming just makes an <blank> out of U and ME.

Let me also take a realistic approach.

Full time college student / work / have a freaking life. That 3 hours of free time you get to play rom will be you farming for essences. Not running. There are ZERO stats to be gained from farming essences / bosses (only get stats from pulling the gears). Your gear / stat progression will be 100% halted if you do this until your dying breath, or until you have gotten your gear(s)... which ever happens first hahahahahahahaha

Edited profanities out. I legitimately forgot/missed this post last night, apologies. ~Aqualink <- nah

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

You cannot cry about not being able to do op instances and compare to the new epic instances.

If you're having issues with new stuff, farm mobs in the new epic instances. Get essences. Sell to those people. Make ALL THE MONEY.

You know how much money you could make SELLING ESSENCES? A [edited] TON. You would have so much gold that you'd be able to get the gear to be able to run PoMH or CoE, and then realize that you are all too lazy to create what is necessary to complete the instances. Whether that be alts, strat, or skill to your player. -- (and realize what endgamers must THEMSELVES GRIND to get those instances. WE DON'T SIT ON OUR [POSTERIORS] AND HOPE THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO THE [STUFF] FOR THEM. WE MUST (because RW fails to see their idiotic instance logic) Level our own alts to 90/90, even 50/50, 70/70 (thats already tons of gold) It is so hard to find food / pots on Artemis... I can't even find music materials anymore. That means self farming for music mats. That's time, time is money. Time is gold. so.. more gold. We must level our OWN ALTS to 70 to LEGALLY POWERLEVEL more powerlevel legal alts to powerlevel more alts because it is SO OUT OF THE WAY to level in rom. So that's getting a 16 slotted character with appropriate stats and when that toon levels past 72, gotta unbind and give to another alt. TIME IS GOLD. CANNOT SAY THAT TIME IS JUST TIME. That's all hard work. WE DONT GET SPOONFED LIKE THE FILTHY CASUALS WANT TO BE. I digress.) --

Once you get to the point of an endgamer and realize legitimate complaints are legitimate, you can complain about the complaints.

Beautifully put, although I bet it'll be deleted because it's the filthy casuals that pander to the GM's. Also truth is not allowed to be spoken on these forums.

Lovely post here. To paraphrase a friend, I'd like to wallpaper my room with that post that's how spot on it was.

Sounds stressful.
mid-endgame ftw.

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

For any of the 99% who haven't stepped into HoE (this is super easy btw) I'll run down how to kill mobs.

1.) Pull one at a time (silences or watch pat [THAT MEANS PATROL, THEY ARE MOBS THAT MOVE AROUND, NOT STATIONARY])
2.) Kill that mob.
3.) Loot that mob and hope it dropped an essence.
4.) Repeat until you have killed all mobs up to first boss.

Can we get a time frame of that? With a simple duo, could take 30 mins. With a nice op party, 7-10. A casual party is about 12-15. If you have loot drop [THAT CAP IS 500% GO OVER THAT AND UVE RUIND ALL YOUR CHANCES SO KEEP TRACK OF THIS. THIS IS A 12 MAN INSTANCE SO BE KNOWLEDGABLE OF ALL YOUR LOOT BUFFS. ROGUES HAVE 20% PASSIVE, MAX PETS HAVE 5%. THEY ALL ADD UP. WINGS. ETC.] So after your casual 12-15 minute run and you have ~450% drop rate... you will typically have 2 essences. You need 25 for accessories.

25.

25 / 2 = 12.5 runs.

12.5 * 15 = 187.5 minutes. = 3.125 hours.

3 accessory set.

3.125 hours x 3 = 9.375 hours to farm essences.

You also need to kill all but last boss for mats, that's more time. You also need to kill last boss 3 times. So add about 3 hours for 1 person for that farming (this is assuming you aren't 100% efficient, our best times were just over 30 minutes due to CD timers and last boss anti-burn mechanic [OMG DID HE SAY ANTI BURN OMG. YEAH BUT THEN 2 MOBS SPAWN AND TARGET ANYONE RANDOMLY AND HIT FOR 60% EACH LOL PHOENIX OR GET BOOTED FROM PARTY)

Still, 9.375 + 3 = 12.375 hours for one person to get 3 accessories.

Guild of 12 active members:

12.375 * 12 = 148.5 hours. 6.1875 days of farming.

Remember it already costs 200 mil to open Hoe (atm it is broken and open forever... but you understand) and it is only opened for 3 days.

Also, that's 6 days of BEING IN ROM, INGAME TIME. YOU WILL NEED TO PLAY ROM FOR OVER 6 DAYS TO HELP YOUR 12-CORE. For one person, it's 12.375 hours of complete ingame time, but drop rates (that are free and one-time) = 2 to 3 hours. So you can split that 12.375 into 4 days.

Basically this. And now these weapons, ONE weapon, requires nearly double the amount of essence, so let's go ahead and make that 18 hours of essence farming on TOP of the amount of time required to clear Hall of Chaos. 18 hours. Per person.

Until you've done it, you have zero right to talk about endgamers "complaining too much" or "whining". Damn right we're complaining, because it's utterly ridiculous.

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

WE DONT GET SPOONFED LIKE THE FILTHY CASUALS WANT TO BE. I digress.) --

Dang that was harsh. lol