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Wednesday, May 6th 2015, 6:40pm

Just something that i thought was always wrong in calculations for me and others on Reni, prices of rubies for item shop items.

How can we get rubies for the item shop? by buying diamonds and then buying item shop items. So if diamonds on Reni go for 100K per usually, rubies should go for about the same price or more, currently around 40K per on Reni. Since there is no other way to get those rubies then spending real money, those should be even more valuable.

Yes some will argue they are free and blablabla, but can't get them without spending real money. Makes it an even more valuable currency since when you gift items for gold in game, only the buyer of said diamonds gets them, although that person might not need them for a while. But we all know who will argue they should not be that high since they are free. But then i guess my rubies will remain my own since i do not feel i should sell them below 100K to 150K to anyone.

Gear/stats/food/potions/bank/backpack/ gear repair ain't free so why should i sell my rubies at 40K per?

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Wednesday, May 6th 2015, 6:58pm

Rubies are less valuable because a lot of the items from ruby shop is not used as often. The only thing I've ever had need of rubies is perfects/drillers, and that is much, much less than the amount of diamonds needed (puris, nromal plussers, 1-3 drillers, etc). All depends on how much demand there is.

If you're a diamond seller, you can think of it as "bonus profit" that you get from making profit from selling dias.

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Wednesday, May 6th 2015, 7:08pm

well backpack space/ bank space tickets, 100% XP/TP/luck pots, 20% XP/TP drop rate pets, wings, all items not obtainable without rubies and very useful to all.

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Wednesday, May 6th 2015, 7:23pm

Rubies are useful, for sure, and I won't deny that. Its just that gearing consumes much more diamonds than rubies.

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Thursday, May 7th 2015, 12:23am

Many many people already have permanent backpack spaces. And those are only needed to be bought every 30 days even if you're unlucky enough to not have perfect. XP/TP/Luck pots are not that useful, and most people don't find it worthwhile to spend the amount of rubies they cost to use them. Pets are a one time purchase, as are wings.

Rubies are less valuable than diamonds because of the simple economics of supply and demand. Rubies are relatively easy to obtain and relatively low in demand. So they cost less. And yes I know you don't like this argument, but they're also a free extra bonus. If you don't want to sell your rubies for 40k/per then don't. It literally doesn't hurt you at all to not sell them.

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Thursday, May 7th 2015, 12:42am

If anyone complains, just tell them to go buy their own diamonds. It's not your job to subsidize their entertainment.

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Thursday, May 7th 2015, 12:53am

threads about prices are useless. that goes for everything market-based that the players control.

think price is too low? don't sell yours. think price is too high? don't buy.

yes, nothing will get sold, but eventually somebody will get desperate, and buy/sell, or the two groups will come to a compromise.

simple supply/demand, the market will dictate the price.

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Thursday, May 7th 2015, 1:06am

What I cannot understand is why forum mods allow contentious threads to be started in the first place. This thread is one of those. I have seen Chars on Artemis sell rubies as low as 25K and as high as 50. Like others have said, if the price is not high enough for you, hold on to 'em. But then, aren't you the one who gives stuff away for free?

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Thursday, May 7th 2015, 1:21am

I actually love rubies and use them very often, though I get a hold of them myself so don't really buy then for gold... however I would never sell them either, I can't compete with 40k per or less since they are worth more than that to me personally, so I simply do not sell them even when I stockpile extras ^.^

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Thursday, May 7th 2015, 1:31am

Quoted from "Rougetopriest"

I actually love rubies and use them very often, though I get a hold of them myself so don't really buy then for gold... however I would never sell them either, I can't compete with 40k per or less since they are worth more than that to me personally, so I simply do not sell them even when I stockpile extras ^.^

Yeah basically. I hold onto mine because they'll basically ALWAYS be valuable for perfect jewels and drillers. Though if you don't upgrade much (As is probably the case for alot of midgamers who can't afford to/don't feel the need or desire to), I can see how you could possibly amass a gigantic stockpile that you'd want to sell some for a gain.

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Thursday, May 7th 2015, 2:04am

Quoted from "Cike"

threads about prices are useless. that goes for everything market-based that the players control.

think price is too low? don't sell yours. think price is too high? don't buy.

yes, nothing will get sold, but eventually somebody will get desperate, and buy/sell, or the two groups will come to a compromise.

simple supply/demand, the market will dictate the price.

In times past there was usually enough supply to meet demand. This is no longer the case. In economic terms (since we're going to talk supply/demand) this creates what is called demand surplus. Typically when this happens prices will rise. Hope folks supporting this position will continue to support it when that happens.

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What I cannot understand is why forum mods allow contentious threads to be started in the first place. This thread is one of those. I have seen Chars on Artemis sell rubies as low as 25K and as high as 50. Like others have said, if the price is not high enough for you, hold on to 'em. But then, aren't you the one who gives stuff away for free?

I hardly see where this is a contentious thread. Why is it when anyone attempts to challenge the status quo in any way posts like this one are allowed to remain? I realize that zid bashing has somehow become a forum sport but seriously....contentious?

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Thursday, May 7th 2015, 4:17am

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Regarding this useless thread, I agree with Cike. Instead of complaining about, just don't worry about it. If no one wants to buy your rubies for what you wanna get out of them, and you can't come to an agreement via negotiation, then either you don't need the gold badly enough, or they don't need the rubies badly enough.

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Thursday, May 7th 2015, 2:10pm

If you raise the gold price of items required to make gear, then you are increasing the gap between midgame and endgame because of the cost of gold. I don't think everyone will buy ALL the rubies and dias they need to make gear and will end up buying some from other players. Especially if they ran out of those items (due to plussing fails, etc.). Also, if prices are raised, the cost of gear that's already been made (endgame hand-me-downs) will increase in price. Since I always see zid saying that the cost of gear in AH are way too high, maybe he should consider this effect of his argument.

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Friday, May 8th 2015, 12:44am

In all fairness, this thread is really just a re-hash of the diamond debate in a different guise. We all know that to be a contentious discussion with both sides believing themselves in the right and the other wrong so I see no value in continuing along these lines. As for causation it really doesn't matter if people raise or lower diamond/ruby prices and/or gear prices because there is plenty of "greedy" to go around on both sides on every server. To the OP, my recommendation is to shelf this discussion until after the mergers. If afterwards it still seems like a good discussion to have then re-post it.

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Friday, May 8th 2015, 6:10am

Quoted from "Drakkarsdad"

What I cannot understand is why forum mods allow contentious threads to be started in the first place.

If we removed all threads that could potentially cause a problem at some point in the future....there would be no forums. You may also have seen some posts that speak angrily of the performance of the GMs or support in general, analogous to broad complaints of running the item shop or of behavior across the servers, and these usually make the cut as well. The ones that flame specific persons usually get removed. The sword cuts both ways, and this thread as a whole hasn't gotten out of hand yet.

Do we sometimes make a note to keep an eye on specific threads? You betcha. A few things have already been cleaned up here, so consider this your warning to stay within the usual forums rules.

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Friday, May 8th 2015, 3:59pm

I do agree rubies are worth more. That's why I save mine for my own use and buy others cheap when I run low. But one main point would be the 4th driller. That is and will be in high demand always. And since that is an extra that we get for spending real money. So if you want get what I get what I have access to for spending real money then it will cost you. And no rubies are not free it cost cash to get them.

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Saturday, May 9th 2015, 12:21am

Zid I have explained this to you before yes rubies are harder to get but people don't need them as often so demand is low there is no point paying more the vast majority I get I buy firework with or throw in the guild.

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Saturday, May 9th 2015, 12:29am

rubies are free when you purchase IS items with dias.

kinda like a "buy one get one free" deal. yes, you can say you got both half price, but at the end of the day, you still need to pay for a complete single one, and got a free one on the side.

@ aspho: really? just....really?

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