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Thursday, February 18th 2016, 5:49pm

F2P guide feedback

well can't post replies to a guide, but would still like to have feedback about it so opening this post.
link to the guide

edit: added link to the guide
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Borella should loot every boss

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Thursday, February 18th 2016, 5:58pm

YESS I CAN REPLY!

awesome post worth the read for everyone, new and veteran, and worth a sticky for sure

just one thing was about the stats, you didn't factor in arcanium stat. They are free, just even more time to get proper stats than shells/eojs stats. and all the bad stats you get from arcanium, you can use as pushers/bumpers, explained in this video by Darkchocolate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYBkNW9_sGs

Could easily push off 1 stat, 2 for rogues and scouts, and bump PA/MA by a few thousand.


Again great post :phatgrin: :beer:
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Thursday, February 18th 2016, 6:15pm

didn't include arcanium stats because they mean you need to use arcanium stats as bumpers. since they require a lot more work to get then say shells i felt like it didn't fit in a pure budget build. but yes you are right if you spend the time to get arcanium stats and bumpers you can sure use those and get higher numbers
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Thursday, February 18th 2016, 7:13pm

Gotta think, a set like Healy described would be the first set, enough to carry their weight and get on runs. After that it snowballs. Being able to sell HM items, getting their own HM set for "free". So on.


Anyways, awesome guide!
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Thursday, February 18th 2016, 10:47pm

Quoted

Armor
Cape of twilight (ud, pom) t8+12
Cloth Shoes of the Aggregate of Desperation (85 hm/ bought ud) t8+16
Wisdom Gloves of Veiled Mists (shells) t7+16
Flames of the Aggregate of Desperation (85 hm/bought ud) t7+12
Crown of the Aggregate of Desperation (85 hm/bought ud) t7+12
Robe of the Aggregate of Desperation (85 hm/bought ud) t8+16
Transformed Lorl’s Belt (85hm/ bought ud) t8+12
Rune energy leg guards(92 ez)t8+16… for those having issues with farming VC ez pom ez legs are also good
Wing of the Dragonking (crafted) T8+12


For the W/M section, if I remember correctlly, Wing of the Dragonking gives only like 100 matk at +12, so it shouldn't need any plussing. May also be worthwhile to get Transformed Lorl’s Gloves for the 2 piece set bonus, since both that and shells should give int/hp/crit.
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Friday, February 19th 2016, 1:43am

After reading it a couple of times, it seems that this is no longer a game but a job. Work, work and more work just to be end game.

However, if you just want to play the game without doing the highest instances and spend time on just PvE without a rooster of alts, you can do it with a single toon just doing outside quests, the dailies and maybe Goblin Games . It will give you gear and stats that will allow you to survive and do everything outside of the latest instances. You can easily max out your levels and do decent damage and survive in the outside world and have fun. I have 3 toons maxed out with decent gear and can easily play anywhere outside of the highest instances spending far less than an hour a day.

Remember it is free to play, and you can be enjoyable, but if you want to win you have to pay with your time and make the game a job.

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Friday, February 19th 2016, 3:42am

@ruisen good catch on the gloves, going to update on the guide. as far as the wing of the dragonking is concerned it's a case of you should get enough jewels from secret garden to plus everything to 12 for free so might as well, but it is indeed the one item you can get away from plussing without having much impact. I'll add a note to the guide.
edit: guide should now be up to date

@aardvark3 well it says in the title it's an endgame guide. I would be lying to say you can reach endgame as free to play without putting in some work, but this guide shows you can be efficient with the work you put into the game and get good results out of it. If you do not have the ambition to become endgame and are having your fun elsewhere there is nothing wrong with that.
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Friday, February 19th 2016, 2:21pm

Nicely done guide and should be good for any players that has questions for those classes, great job and tyvm for doing it. :beer:

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Saturday, February 20th 2016, 7:57pm

Let's be honest here. At this stage of ROM it's virtually impossible for a new player to get to endgame (or even midgame maybe) as f2p. Even if you quit school and work, dump your GF, and become a hermit and play ROM 18 hours a day, it will still take you years to make one set of gear. If you disagree I challenge anyone to make a new toon without the help of your current geared max level toons and 2 dozen other alts that everyone already has. Here's a breakdown of what you need to just make one weapon t11 +20 and one single piece of t7 +16 gear, assuming for simplicity we just use all shells stats:

weapon - 3 t11s (roughly 3300 AT charges (1600 dias) and 22 million gold for belt and fusions), 4 drillers (175 dias), at least 50 gems for +6 (minimum 180 dias), another 10 gems for +12 (150 dias), 10 gems for +16 (500 dias).

gear - 6 stats (60 dias for puries), 3 t6 puries (either 30 or 90 dias), 1 random extractor (40 dias), 4 drillers (100 dias), 50 gems for +6 (100 dias), 10 gems for +12 (110 dias), 10 gems for +16 (300 dias).

This totals roughly 2600 dias plus 22 million gold for the weapon and 740 dias for the gear, so around 370 million gold just for two items, not even including runes. Also I didn't even include the cost to +20 the weapon, which is basically impossible. Then do this again for thirteen more items!

So the question is how does a new player save up such a mindboggling amount of gold to be able to accomplish this? One way is to have a nice guild that will happily carry you through everything and give you free items. But if you don't have that, then the only other ways are doing minigames or eojs and selling stats. Again, I challenge anyone to set one toon aside, do all your minis and eojs every day on that one toon and see how long it will take to be able to pull enough stats to be able to buy all the dias you will need, and let's see how long you last. It's just not realistic, and it's not a really a surprise that there aren't any new players in this game.

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Saturday, February 20th 2016, 8:44pm

Tankyhealy has been able to do it all F2P, i saw him make gear from scratch. It was the most frustrating thing ever for me because i don't know how the hell he has the patience for all that... :doofy:

His way of being F2P is basically making a bunch of alts, i'm pretty sure he balanced a real life and rom. Practically one of the best healers in my opinion, buuuut haven't seen his DPS.

In reality, you either put time or money to be in any real "endgame" status...

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Saturday, February 20th 2016, 11:20pm

As I said in the guide it's all about been efficient with your time, if you are using only one toon you are basically wasting time. As blasìan said i started from scratch and was able to make many sets of gear in the past 2 and a half year and any people i played with would be able to confirm it to you. Currently i spend between 1h and 2h a day working on gear and i'm never short of money even though I'm constantly making gear. I never got any handouts, the most i got was a bit of rt mem farm so i could pull ud mem accessories i ended up using for over a year.(ty tartax XD)

Now if you want some math to back things up. Say you make 40 alts and plvl them to 44 so you can do the chupura daily(the first one mentioned in the guide), takes about 20 min per alt if you went for cheap mage gear and can only run 1 or 2 bug. now say you do it during an event halve that time. 6h40 minutes to get your alts set up from that point you can get your dailies going 1h10 min a day and you get enough charges to make over 1t12 a week that's 9t10 you can resell for 25m a piece or just keep for tiering your weapon. once the alts reach 50 which you can wait to happen naturally through dailies or speed up via power leveling you can then run them all through dailies and get 300 shells for 20 minutes of work everyday. if you can run 2 gobs you end up getting 600 shells everyday. weekly income should be around 4200 shells a week + 28000 tokens for 1h50 of work per day. Translates in around 310m worth a week not conting the straigh up money from doing dailies. if you can't reach endgame with that i think might want to reconsider where you spend your money. for instance if you can get something with both rubies and diamonds plz compare the price for both there is usually a cheaper option.

like i said there is no secret you need to put the work if you want to reach endgame as f2p.

ps: it's mentioned in the guide, but if you run secret garden with enough alts you should never have to pay for any plussing from 1 to 12. with the bag from ystra you should never have to pay for weapon and armor driller for the first 2 slots. Also if you look at the values giving in the budget build i'm recomending t12+19 weapon not t11+20. if you know the right people you should be able to find weapon plussers for 50m per and need an average of 3.5 to reach +19. accessories +20 are easier to find and cheaper.
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Sunday, February 21st 2016, 12:02am

I'd say it would take about 6 months of playing to make a toon group 1 viable for the newest content, all you actually have to do is spend the time, and I know this from experience.

Excellent guide btw, someone actually took the time to write it down for everybody so I don't have to tell it to every (shi.. badword) midgamer.

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Sunday, February 21st 2016, 1:15am

Say you make 40 alts and plvl them to 44 so you can do the chupura daily(the first one mentioned in the guide), takes about 20 min per alt if you went for cheap mage gear and can only run 1 or 2 bug. now say you do it during an event halve that time. 6h40 minutes to get your alts set up from that point you can get your dailies going 1h10 min a day and you get enough charges to make over 1t12 a week that's 9t10 you can resell for 25m a piece or just keep for tiering your weapon. once the alts reach 50 which you can wait to happen naturally through dailies or speed up via power leveling you can then run them all through dailies and get 300 shells for 20 minutes of work everyday. if you can run 2 gobs you end up getting 600 shells everyday. weekly income should be around 4200 shells a week + 28000 tokens for 1h50 of work per day. Translates in around 310m worth a week not conting the straigh up money from doing dailies.

40 alts, are you really serious? <snip> I thought the guide was supposed to be remotely realistic. You really think a new player can do this? Again, I challenge you to make a new mage or champion toon, level it and then gear it to the point where you can powerlevel other toons in tosh and tell me how long that task alone takes. Well ok, if your time horizon for getting to endgame as f2p is about 4 or 5 years, I guess it might be possible, but if it's earlier then it's not really realistic for 99.9% of people.

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Sunday, February 21st 2016, 2:01am

Plz take the time to learn about the stuff you are talking about before posting, would save you some embarassement. There is a reason i put the dailies i put in the guide there and you would understand it if you were to ever try. you don't need bots to do them fast, just daily notes and an addon that auto accept invitations.

As for the mage it took me about two week to level and gear up. A lazy aproach to it as a new player would be to quest it along with your main toon to level them both at the same time and gear it once it reaches 70+. Little tips for the gear you only really need a good weapon and maybe 2 rings with some matt stat on top of the quest gear to run 1-2 bugs comfortably. You can also use mem tstones to stat some of the quest pieces of gear for cheap.

I would agree with meif 6-8 months from scratch to become endgame sounds reasonable if you put in the efforts. Still not gonna have ibw for a while after that, but not much to be done about that.

I don't see a reason to argue further, if you think what I say is wrong despite many endgame players telling you it is true then free to you to ignore it. I would much rather focus my time on the constructive criticism like what about adding this or did you think of that instead of ppl telling me flat out "what you wrote is wrong" and having to explain to them why I am right. Not everyone has for instance to run 40 alts over 5 accounts everyday like i do. Obviously more alts mean higher income, and higher income means faster track to endgame, but eventually anyone who puts in constant work in the right direction should be able to reach endgame. I'm sure the use a groups for gobs and the dailies i put up can help many ppl to work more efficiently towards gearing up wether or not their end goal is to reach endgame. I'm sharing my knowledge free to each and everyone to do whatever they want with it.
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Sunday, February 21st 2016, 2:36am

As for the mage it took me about two week to level and gear up.
I would agree with meif 6-8 months from scratch to become endgame sounds reasonable
It's a wonder why the servers aren't just teeming with f2p endgamers, but ok if you say so.

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Sunday, February 21st 2016, 3:17am

It's a wonder why the servers aren't just teeming with f2p endgamers, but ok if you say so.
The answer is simple. They're bad.



Throughout the time I've known Soppy he's one of the ppl go to bed the earliest... so anyone who says they have to quit life and take the game as a job is just ignorant and is making baseless assumptions.

Oh no! An MMO where it takes time to get good. Specially as F2P on a Fremium game... jesus.

Now everyone wants billions of TP, Ironblood Will and other things earned through dedication to the game on a silver platter. What happened to incremental gains as you play?


And anyone who challenges Soppy to do this or that is daft. He already did it, he knows what he is talking about *facepalm*.
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Sunday, February 21st 2016, 3:51am

Is it possible? Yeah sure. Is it worth it? Hell no. Why any new player would come into this game, see what is required to get to endgame, and actually want to put that much work into this game is beyond me. You're basically talking over half a year of nothing but grind, grind, grind of the same mindless stuff every single day in order to become viable to run endgame content. That's not fun. Go work for two hours a month at minimum wage and pay for a sub game. Way more rewarding than basically having a second job on a freemium game that isn't even maintained and populated properly.

Also, you did it first on a healer, then used that healer to gear a dps. It's a bit harder to become endgame viable on a toon that actually requires gear to run endgame unlike healers.
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Sunday, February 21st 2016, 3:55am

Also, you did it first on a healer, then used that healer to gear a dps. It's a bit harder to become endgame viable on a toon that actually requires gear to run endgame unlike healers.
Actually the reason i geared dps was because i couldn't find runs as a healer so the healer set didn't even help get the dps one.
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Sunday, February 21st 2016, 4:11am

What makes me laugh is you have a person here that took the time to explain to people that F2P is doable, tells you all the kinks on how to do it. I have said it for 6 years now that you can do it, either put the time or the money into it and have fun either way. But the usual negative QQ'ing suspects will try to debate that he is lying, twisting reality and maybe we need to get him to the asylum lmao.


One of the main reason most don't?? because they have a hard time getting runs for hardmode runs to get set skills, stats etc. We had a guildie come back in December, started from ZERO, me and the other guildies helped him and he got to 95/70 on mage, i've loaned him level 80 gear tier 6 +16 and up, till he could get his own to help out. Took him less than 2 months and no power leveling etc, quested all through the zones to get there. As Soppy said 8 months to endgame is very doable.

Magio + 1000 on your post and hitting the nail with a 26 ounce hammer, but we can't lead the blind to the water if they just don't want us to help out.

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Sunday, February 21st 2016, 4:43am

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Soppy i dont really know you i ran with you maybe 3 times and its was short.

If were being perfecttly honest endgame is possible as f2p but if were really being realistic and true it wont take no 6 to 8 months it will take atleast a year or 2 from scratch.
Also this post was made for someone new so since he has no experience but he can use add on guidance it will still take about a year or 2 maybe longer just to be able to run and he will basically be a carry.
There is no one in their right mind no offense to any who will make 40 alts at lvl 50.
Also plvl is illegal but some ppl do it even factoring what all you said as the game is now it will still take more than 6 to 8 months im acctually being optimistic saying 1 to 2 years i would go as far as saying 2 to 3 years, or agreeing with rad and saying 4 to 5 years as the game is now.
If you got a girl a job and a life you are willing to give up than mayne the year to 2 years is possible just to get into an endgame run to further gear with the few ppl now.
Factoring life 2 to 3 years or more tbh.
Soppy you and others been playing this game for a while and having been stackign money up and have the alts and time not everyone has the luxury or resources.

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