Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "mohammed1234"

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Soppy i dont really know you i ran with you maybe 3 times and its was short.

Pot calling the kettle black

Kalvan was here.

ya i am one of the biggest troll of Reni, i agree but what he said is totally doable. If you have the time to do it, you can do it. I know Warriorking you seem to have put a lot of real money on your toon cause you can probably afford it, bot others probably can't.

His post is saying that being F2P can be done and gives people the means to do it. Power leveling is legal as long as you do it within the rules. Do it when you have 100% or 200% XP weekends for alts and get them quickly at least to level 65 without glitching, cheating the honor party scroll.

Factoring in life, girlfriend, kids, work, school or whatever is all good, but has anyone forced you to spend 14 hours a day in the game? have they forced you to spend money on the game? have they forced you to get at endgame status? no one did that, you do that to yourself in full knowledge and conscientiousness of your own.

I am on work comp for 4 years and can be here 14-16 hours a day, i am up and willing to run instance with anyone, almost lol. You have retired people, veterans, at home mom's or dad's, handicapped and injured people like myself that can be here 14-16 hours a day. That wll have the time to level multiple toons to high levels, especially once you know the quest line by heart hahaha.

To make gold in the game is so darn easy it's not even funny, especially if you have the time. Like Soppy said : do secret garden mini games when it comes around on all your alts and you'll be set for plussing jewels. Mainly all my gear on my toons have been plussed through those.

Time and commitment or money or both , you have a choice, like everything else in life.

I haven't spent as much money as people think but that's not the point.
The point is who is currently running endgame to get the gear flowing, who is selling endgame gear, and are their even enough ppl on to do endgame anymore ?
Without those gearing is virtually impossible no matter how much money you have.

I'm gonna say this, I've been playing on my knight for six years. I just made my scout back in june, and leveled him and his gear is almost done. Yinajo set and HoE set. With 134k unbuffed pattack.

I have only put about 10 dollars into him for charges cause I was too lazy to farm them on alts lol. Aside from that I haven spent a dime IRL to level or gear him. I traded poms for the hoe set. And honestly my pattack would be higher of I just went with them mem/pom accessories.

True I already had an endgame tank, but the part that took the longest was I held out for OD gear. As soppy said in the guide ud gear is a lot easier to obtain, and in most casea is free from guildies and in worldchat. Just need an abl.

Not here to brag or show off and promote my scout, and there is still work to be done on it. Just saying it can be done.

I'm terrible with money, I'm perpetually broke cause I like shiny things lol. So it's not like i had this fat stack of cash laying around to use on him. I farmed stuff to sell and played the AH. Patience really paid off.

And it paid off in 9-10 months

I probably wont be too of scruit, but once I get the timing and skills down, I'llat least be on the map. ^-^

scrutinizer should be used for people to see how they do with the others in the group and not say : i am the best and all of you suck, as i have seen so many times in groups on Reni. All the orange stats, all the best gear doesn't mean squat if you can't get along others to run instances, put down the ego's a bit, help other people on the servers to get what they are missing and teach them things they didn't know, a big TYVM to Sadakko, Elvie, Bilall, Sperlie etc for have taken the time over the years to teach this noob how to do stuff in game and help others as you did me .

Their patience was so great since i am kinda old and slow loll but patience is a virtue that really not many have in this game and the greed, OMG the greed of some amazes me!!!!!

I have had guildies picking on me for the last month to put up runs and get ISS in GCH and TOSH, if you are willing to learn, listen, run and come to our TS to get it done, whisper us in Disturbed and we will get it done, please understand that you WILL die but will get it done nonetheless.

If I'm correct the average Pattack for endgame is now 160k unbuffered so your 26k below also crit for pa is easier so I would say average crit 80% and your pdam should be 16 to 20k I think not sure on pdam for scouts.
Also this post was meant for ppl with no prior experience or resources in game.
Also I see your secondary classes are still not lvl ed also no one answered my previous question on how currently endgame gear will be obtained yinjao isn't endgame but it's still viable also is your wep t12 ? And do you have t 8 gear or t7 gear or t11 wep or +20 ring neck ?
Just having hoe and yinjao isn't endgame.
Also what about your tp as that is very important?

what? grotto and hoe isnt endgame? dammit i guess i can't consider myself endgame then! Not like we're running 90 content which was all done without 90 gear in the first place... Also you can't really judge an endgame patt for all classes since it varies so much for every class.

I love how people will say that is not endgame gear, stats or build lmao. 12 man instances are meant to be be 12 MEN instances, not 3 mains and 9 buffer alts. Bring 12 people in hardmode and more people would play, but some just have a bad attitude when it comes to running stuff.

Stop supposing what is supposed to be endgame. You don't have to be all orange statted, T9 gear and +20 to run stuff, not at all. doing so just makes it faster and less people to bring, then sell said gear or stat for retarded prices and only split the profit with fewer people, that is what endgames means to me the way people do it. I prefer for more people running instances and splitting up the gear to those who needs it to better themselves and completes their quests. Then help others do the same thing, but then again i am the greediest player of all times!!!! hahaha

How many VVV members and other ENDGAMERS have we helped in Disturbed get their ISS from GCH/TOSH/SC enevn Belathis runs, cause no other ENDGAMER deemed it worth their time? they were just too good to help their own guildies to get it? i was more then happy to help them out to get them.

Much more would be accomplished in game if people would help others out and make everyone better

Alts only really work for instances that have no tactics, recently runewaker have atleast been putting more thought into their bosses, which should hopefully remove some of the alt and nuke mentality. Issue is now making the strats playable, not have 85%, 65%, and 40% hits all come in the same second(like HoC second boss has)

The true meaning of end game is having the best gear possible but thats not the point.
The guy said he had yinjap and hoe like that makes you endgame. Ive seen people with hoe and grotto gear do good and bad it takes more than the pieces you need the right stats the righta decent tier and plussing you cant go into coe with a +6 or +12 wep you will suck i promise you. You need proper stat set up and t7 gear atleast with t11 wep and at least +18 to 19 rings and wep and neck imo.
I also said i could be wrong about the patt but ive seen scouts with 160k unbuffed.
Also ppl use alts because they dont have that class on when needed, or that person doesnt want to play their role, or they just suck.
Not to mention your statement about ppl using 3 dps and rest alts isnt true i have made parties with no alts and have been in parties with no alts.
Also most of the instances are burn or die so having a m/wl and wl/m is better than having two of the best dps taking their place because their buffs and debuffs are for the whole party.
Also their are not many endgamers to begin with.
Also stop taking every thing i say so literally im sure yall can think of what ive mean as both of yall have played for a long time and should know what i meant when i said having just yinjao set and hoe set makes you endgame i can have those and stat and plus horribly will i have endgame gear yes but does that make me end game if im not outputting endgame dps.
And i dont want to hear 12 man is 12 man because like i said ive been in 12 man instance. Their is a specific party set up for instances from beth to coe 5 dps in grp 1 and 1 wl/m g2 one m/wl d/wrd or w. tank such as k/w preferably wrd/w wrd/s etc. the other 3 can be dps but ppl would rather have buffers as the remaing 3 but others might just like 3 dps to feel it.
For vc imo for several of the bosses you dont need that set up i would say having a m/wl is only needed for about 3 of the bosses and having 2 heals a tank rest dps is good or having 2 tanks will be good to rotate for agro issues. but for the other 3 bosses i would like to say to have i party who have other classes so they can switch to burn so you can burn the boss ad not die

Yes all my gear is +16, except the pieces that give stam, +20 neck, +18 rings, (surprisingly I couldn't find those jewels for sale at the time) all t7 at least. T11 +18 XBOW (also couldn't find weapon jewels to go higher) making the next xbow t12 for sure.

Mostly it's 3 and 3 str pa, dex pa. I used a few orange stats but whatever. By the time I'm done my pa will be closer to 140k, 152k ish on rogue. (I need to update my classes in my siggy :p)

I'll be honest I halfarsed the heck out of my scout, I should have t8ed more, and been more patient for better stats, but it is what it is.

It's become Crystal clear that we all have different opinions on what "endgame" is, so stop argueing about it already.

I consider being able to do grotto+without being carried good enough for endgame for most people. Well I should say "late game" not endgame. But let's be honest, most runs you can find are goh and pom pugs these days. And that's fine. At least we have the people on the server to do that consistantly.

Like I said, we have different views of what endgame is, we can argue till gms get sick and /close thread. So let's just not bicker.

Whatever you do in game, do what you love and have fun. It's a game, not a job.

Endgame isn't about the gear one has, it's about doing your part in the party whether it's being a support, dps, tank or heal. Do your role and down the latest instances -> endgame.

Something that could be worth mentioning in the guide could be addons, scrutinizer and charplan are essential for an endgamer(even though you give a pretty clear line on how to gear).

As for siege titles, it will take some time before you get most of them, luckily there are still older players that have most of them. Ironblood is not by far needed for a dps, all it does is make a great dps a better dps.

Also, to Warriorking, read the stuff you type before you post it. Thanks.

Kalvan was here.

Quoted from "Meijf"

Endgame isn't about the gear one has, it's about doing your part in the party whether it's being a support, dps, tank or heal. Do your role and down the latest instances -> endgame.

Something that could be worth mentioning in the guide could be addons, scrutinizer and charplan are essential for an endgamer(even though you give a pretty clear line on how to gear).

As for siege titles, it will take some time before you get most of them, luckily there are still older players that have most of them. Ironblood is not by far needed for a dps, all it does is make a great dps a better dps.

Also, to Warriorking, read the stuff you type before you post it. Thanks.

^ this post sums everything up nicely. Also forgot to mention it in my last post, but great guide. Not just for endgame either imo, but as gearing up in general it has nice tips and tricks for the average player.

Also @Radeon My guildie does daily alts for tokens, except he leveled them all up to 90 for the gold, and now earns over 20mil each day for 30mins work logging them, it really depends how much time you want to put in to the game, it's a lot slower sure then more conventional ways of farming, but he can now earn more then probably even endgamers do in a week for 30mins work a day.

Kalvan was here.

Quoted from "Cenre"

Also @Radeon My guildie does daily alts for tokens, except he leveled them all up to 90 for the gold, and now earns over 20mil each day for 30mins work logging them, it really depends how much time you want to put in to the game, it's a lot slower sure then more conventional ways of farming, but he can now earn more then probably even endgamers do in a week for 30mins work a day.

How does one level 30 toons to level cap....

Quoted from "Meijf"

endgame

Quoted from "Meijf"

Endgame isn't about the gear one has, it's about doing your part in the party whether it's being a support, dps, tank or heal. Do your role and down the latest instances -> endgame.

Something that could be worth mentioning in the guide could be addons, scrutinizer and charplan are essential for an endgamer(even though you give a pretty clear line on how to gear).

As for siege titles, it will take some time before you get most of them, luckily there are still older players that have most of them. Ironblood is not by far needed for a dps, all it does is make a great dps a better dps.

Also, to Warriorking, read the shit you type before you post it. Thanks.

Like the guy said we got different views of endgame but endgame is self explanatory the name speaks for itself.
Healers dont need op gear nor do buffer or debuffers, but tanks need good gear so they can hold agro and survive and dps need good gear so they can output the dps needed to kill the boss otherwise you will see one person doing 12mil total when everyone else did 40mil more than 3 times the damage and thats called a carry where im from and not endgame.
The guy clearly ended the post and you had to reply with your nonsense.

@Cenre no one said endgame wasnt possible as f2p wee just said it takes a long time being 2 to 3 years as the current state of the game for a new player to just come and become endgame.
For someone who has experience i would say 1 to 2 years and those number are modest tbh i know ppl who played since day one and still arent endgame and they dedicated their lives to this game.
Their are a few exceptions of course but its like a rare phenomenon that i have rarely seen you need the resources and time and not everyone has that and not many will want to do that anyway so were just stating facts and ideas and the people and take it from their.

Stop here please thanks.

This thread is about feedback regarding this guide. Any more off topic and I'll move you to the silent stairs.

Good guide.

lvl 94 quest cape > ud pom cape (for the w/m part anyways)

Also I don't think you mentioned honor point farming in the guide. I didn't really read the whole thing, just scrolled through. If you did then gj and ignor the bit below.

You can farm honor points by making an alt guild and making lvl 50 or so toons afk in siege. Also doing drill grounds with the same toons. I only do 2 games in there, or rather used to when I played full time. I want to survive and call of the horns, gives a total of 1100 honor points per day. Both games will take like 2-4 min in total per lvl 50 or so toon to finish, giving you a total of 2400 honor points per day. Which will lead to one shell stat pull every 6 days from the honor vendor (12500 for lvl 97 ring) and have spare honor points left over.

I read the guide and yes it is a good guide for those of us that understand what your saying. By those of us I mean people that been playing the game for "years". But honestly, if you all were new players coming to ROM for the first time and read this guide to be F2P, would you stay? I mean your telling new players that you need to make 6 accounts and have 48 alts in order to play this game for free. Now, making the accounts is easy but leveling them in order to do Gobs and dailies is time consuming to the extreme, especially if your coming to a game that you have no clue about in the first place. Doable, yes indeed it is, but fun and enjoyable, I seriously doubt that. Just knowing that your going to be doing repetitive stuff on 48 toons for months is a turn off or I think it is.

Most people join MMO's for fun, they make gold or whatever currency through leveling and crafting, getting stuff to sell on the AH. When you tell people that the only way to make gold here is to have 48 toons that you need to do repetitive tasks each day, in order to gear up their main toon , to be me that is ridiculous. The only thing I can say is that your right about it being "doable" but what "NEW" player in their right mind wants to do that. It took you 6 years to learn ROM and realize what needed to be done now at this point in the game to be endgame. Honestly, if you were a NEW player today would you want to stay with a game after reading this guide?

Pyper

Quoted from "Jada28"

I read the guide and yes it is a good guide for those of us that understand what your saying. By those of us I mean people that been playing the game for "years". But honestly, if you all were new players coming to ROM for the first time and read this guide to be F2P, would you stay? I mean your telling new players that you need to make 6 accounts and have 48 alts in order to play this game for free. Now, making the accounts is easy but leveling them in order to do Gobs and dailies is time consuming to the extreme, especially if your coming to a game that you have no clue about in the first place. Doable, yes indeed it is, but fun and enjoyable, I seriously doubt that. Just knowing that your going to be doing repetitive stuff on 48 toons for months is a turn off or I think it is.

Most people join MMO's for fun, they make gold or whatever currency through leveling and crafting, getting stuff to sell on the AH. When you tell people that the only way to make gold here is to have 48 toons that you need to do repetitive tasks each day, in order to gear up their main toon , to be me that is ridiculous. The only thing I can say is that your right about it being "doable" but what "NEW" player in their right mind wants to do that. It took you 6 years to learn ROM and realize what needed to be done now at this point in the game to be endgame. Honestly, if you were a NEW player today would you want to stay with a game after reading this guide?

Pyper

Ty you summed it up perfectly.