Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Borella"

Personally, I quit for a variety of reasons, but one of the biggest is that I was sick of doing over twice the work only to consistently do less dps than melee who had to do hardly any work at all. Are mages viable? Yes. Are they good? Only if they work 2-3x as hard as the melee they want to match. And then they still probably won't.

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Nobody understands, nobody but people that have actually played m/w from the start. Magio is right, m/w isn't bad at end game dps, I don't think anyone of the end game mages here were against that. But COMPARED to the amount of work needed, m/w end game performance is piss poor. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this some where on this thread already, but the average end game m/w over their life time spends well over 2-3 times gold/dias and time behind their toon compared to their melee counter parts. And for a game that is so rigged towards p2p players, the reward is pathetic.

m/w is literally good for 0 things out side of that 12 sec burn, they should be leaving all other dps miles behind considering that they have sacrificed all performance in other aspects of the game. But being able to "keep" up is the best m/w can do. It's like training your entire life for a race and then getting beaten or drawing with the guy that trained for 2-3 months before the race.

The reason the idea of ts19 giving mdef reduction and the stacking of lute and guitar got majority support is because its the smallest change melee are willing to go along with, without losing their easy life style. Where in reality these things shouldn't even be talked about here. They should have been implemented from the very beginning. The entire siege chart is balanced except for that one title, its almost as if they forgot to put in mdef on it rather than leave it out intentionally. And idk if RW ppl knows this, but whether lute and guitar stacks or not, the combo's that needs lute doesn't benefit from guitar anyways, and vice versa. But right now mages are just trying to get what little scrap of improvement they can. When the discussion really should be about how much mdmg increase do mage weapons needs and what % passive mdmg boost buff they should get and whether casting speed boost should increase their dps or not.

Oh sure mages get a ton of stacking attack buffs, m/p, p/s, p/r bla bla. But we all know that means jack squat. I bet none of the melee fotm dps combo's break the patk cap of an end game ini? and yet they still rip the boss a new one, why? Because they have a humongous amount of pdmg. And we all know that raw dmg > everything else. So don't try to make it out as if the stackable matk buffs makes up for the lack of mdmg mages suffer from, because it doesn't, no way.

Flame should be hitting as hard as snipe, if not harder. idc if that means the bosses go down in 2-3 seconds. All that shows is that bosses need more hp and def. Because if the mages actually get the performance they deserve then the melee will have to leave their high chair and their sweet life behind and actually work for a living.

Pretty sure ch 3 scouts didnt have to put in as much work behind their toons as m.w have to. So mage doing op dps is a lot more justified than scouts.

Quoted from "aceofsleep"

Quoted from "ancientgear"

Flame should be hitting as hard as snipe, if not harder. idc if that means the bosses go down in 2-3 seconds. All that shows is that bosses need more hp and def. Because if the mages actually get the performance they deserve then the melee will have to leave their high chair and their sweet life behind and actually work for a living.

And then all the M/Wd's became gods

m/wd doesn't reach any where near the matk or mdmg that a m/w can. And even if they did, I don't see you complaining about w/s, or how wd/w and r/m are at the top of their field in all aspects of the game. So why would you complain about an all rounder mage combo?

Quoted from "pachat93"

I still don't understand the rational behind making mages do more damage than other classes.

Because its the single most expensive and tiresome class in the game.

Quoted from "pachat93"

As it is right now they are doing pretty much the same as any other dps combo.

How would you feel if you worked harder or more at w/e place you work at and got paid "pretty much the same" as everyone else that does less work?

As things stand right now, out side of that 12-15 sec burn m/w is probably one of the worst combo to play in the game. (going to use m/w as an example because its highly unlikely that other m/x combo will get invs on end game runs, except for the occasional m/wd). Hence when it comes to that 12-15 sec burn they should be the ones that carry's the entire raid, not do "ok". Cause god knows they aren't good for anything else.

Quoted from "Magío"

For someone who claims to be endgame... do you have any idea how hard Snipe can hit? There's a reason it has such a huge cooldown. And if I'm not mistaken, the cast breaks on damage.

Snipe has a cool down because scouts have a large range of other very useful dps skills to use during a burn, what useful dps skill do mages have other than flame during a burn?

Quoted from "pachat93"

Imagine if mages needed only 1 set of gear and didn't need 3 alts outside the instance to do the damage it does in runs would mage as a dps even be considered an issue?

From my knowledge of melee, I don't believe that many or any melee combo hit 1m patk during a typical burn. A decently geared m/w goes well over 1m matk during a burn when fully buffed, they don't need to go that high. The reason they can't cash in on it is because for a class that uses a 2h weapon mage have pathetically low mdmg. Ppl use the matk buff alts is not because it makes a world of difference, they use it because due to the lack of raw dmg they might as well grab that small boost over no boost. Pretty sure no one would waste their time with buff alts if mages had more mdmg.