Runes of Magic US / AU

Alright so it seems a lot of people have taken a like to the below post, most of which consists of suggestions already made at some point in this thread. So meh being meh is going to try and see if I can debunk it or w/e. Nothing against you soppy (nothing yet), I just like arguing, keeps meh mind sharp.

Now before I start, there is one thing I noticed...or rather didn't notice, correct me either way. But you didn't mention if you were expecting all of these suggestions to be implemented, or any one of them or various combinations of them. Ill see if I can cover all the different scenarios before I get bored.

I'll just start off with assuming that you are expecting all of the suggestions to be implemented.

Quoted from "pachat93"

1) tac -20% mdef and remove buffs stacking.

Now this one seem to be the most controversial one. Yes I made a whole thread about this quite a while ago, I recall quite a lot of people that shot this idea down back then are now all of a sudden supporting it here, and supporting it very strongly if I may add, but ehh lets not waste time with that. And yes I have pushed this idea in the past. But that was back when I was trying to get what little I could for mages. But this thread had escalated well beyond what I thought it would, so I thought you know what, screw it, I'm going to go all the way instead of trying to get what little scrap I can for mages.


As of right now, the line that seems to come with adding mdef reduction to ts is that the mage buff stacking needs to be removed. Well why do we want mdef on ts? so we don't need to use m/p and p/s every 15 min or every time we die right? Mainly so we mages don't need to run outside the instance. Well I haven't done all the nitty gritty math but m/p plus p/s gives approximately 20% or so boost in matk. Well 20% boost in matk is the same as 20% reduction in mdef, which leads as to why people think putting mdef on ts will require matk stacking to be removed. Now this is a perfectly rational way of looking at it. But the core of the issue imo still remains, mages will need to go outside to get d/wd, since d/wd buff is far more important than m/p or p/s. But if there are melee in the raid then raid also needs d/w. The problem that melee and mages have are opposite, melee can't easily reach the patk needed to break pdef and mage can't easily reach the mdmg needed to make use of the fact that their matk has gone past the bosses mdef.

And I think people will agree when I say this, that with the current burn meta it will be quite some time before we can regularly build raids that can accommodate 2 different healers. So the problem still remains, which school of dps has to run out side? because someone has to, d/w and d/wd are both too important of buffs, and both are needed if a raid is to reach its optimal potential. And if someone has to run outside then does it really matter whether you have 1 buff alt standing outside or 3? People that uses those alts already have those alts, its not like they can get back all they spent behind the alts since the alts are no longer useful. I mean you are already outside and defeated the purpose of putting mdef reduction on ts. And this is the reason why I think putting mdef on ts won't really solve any issues. Mage dps wont increase and mages or melee will still have to run outside.


Now if you were to say something like remove it so the mage buffs don't stack but give mages a dmg boost, by increasing mdmg on staff to equal 2h melee ones, or give mage a small passive dmg boost then that I would be perfectly comfortable with. Because at that point d/wd dmg buff will become a want and not a need, so mages will have no excuse to complain. Because imo m/w doesn't really need m/p or p/s buff, they just grab it because its there.

Quoted from "pachat93"

2) wisdom of bravery now calculates like every other buff, but also increases mdam by 40% for the duration.

why 40%? based on damage calculation you get x damage for your skill and it is multiplied by a att/def ratio. when you break the boss mdef that modifier is 1-0.5*mdef/att. based on magio's stats and on debuffed mdef of the average bp hm boss I arrive to a 0,74 ratio when he uses swap set and 0,53 ratio when he uses mage gear to cast wisdom of bravery. 0.74/53= 1.4 which means you need 40% more damage to do the damage you do with swap set using normal set. this suggestion would removes the need to have 2 sets of gear

This is very unlikely to get implemented as it would directly hit rw/gf's wallet, and that alone is enough reason to believe that this will never happen.

Quoted from "pachat93"

3) make guitar stack with the other musics.

Concretly it means 1 or 2 extra flames during burns as you get your first flame off faster. not biggest of deal but a slight buff

I am going to assume you mean make guitar and lute stack without reducing the casting speed cap, as nothings stated on the matter. For this suggestion to get implemented RW will actually have to put in work for something that will have very little effect in the game itself. Yes I see you say that it means the first 1-2 flames will go faster, but these 1-2 flames are likely to be the weakest of all your flames, since wl/m , m/wl and druid very likely haven't gotten their buff/debuff on boss yet. And unless the average flame of the m/w hits for 20m or so the weakest 1-2 flame will do very little to boost dps.

Now if you made this suggestion assuming that casting speed cap will be lowered then well Ill just refer to what cike said, that its a very icky situation and imo shouldn't be messed with by rw.

Quoted from "pachat93"

4) Make fire/wind mastery 70% instead of 63%.

Small buff to mage damage, anything more would be too much.

meh, ill take 7% over no %. But would be preferable if they made it a nice round 100%, 63% seems like such an odd number. Or maybe add the fire dmg boost to cata, so using cata gives 37% more magical fire dmg. This way no one can complain that m/wd has become too op because m/wd flame spam won't benefit from the increased fire magic power.



Now Idk if this has been discussed in detail or not, I may have missed it. But if mages won't get a raw dmg boost, even a small one like changing dmg boost from cata from 20% to some where between 40-50% then how about increasing dps done by mages as their casting speed increases just like melee?

Quoted from "Magío"

4) Damn! straight up 37% passive damage increase. Jesus christ. There's two types of people here. The ones that believe Mage just needs to do less work, but wouldn't mind a small buff, and the people who wants to make Mages gods. Maybe I'm overreacting... Cike help me out with the math bro. Mind watching the vids I posted on page 8 and changing my damage with the 37% dmg buff and comparing them to the rest of the raid for us? I'll love you long time.

I said 37% fire magic dmg, not 37% raw mdmg boost, and only on cata along with the current boost that cata gives. Ehh probably should have worded it better. And once again reason I use m/w as an example is because m/w is the whole reason this thread started. Its most work intensive mage combo and the least useful one out of the 12-15 sec burn. I do have the other mage combo and I do play them. They are pretty decent across the board except for burst dps. If nothing else they are at least fun to play, m/w has like 0 good aspects for me except for burst dps.