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Sunday, August 21st 2016, 2:47am

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And if they have a healer?



Use static field and just let them sit there and watch their pocket get murdered. Silence works too. Or you can run with a buddy.
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Sunday, August 21st 2016, 3:03am

Word w/m 100% and I'll spend 10k a month

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Sunday, August 21st 2016, 4:32am

Sure if we talk about 300-400k HP p/k, ever faced a German 1mil HP p/k hitting it for 50k hits each on w/m? :p honestly biggest issue is the cooldown, since 30sec duratiom when cooldown is only one minute is ridiculous. There was a time when knights didn't have this, they could live without it again if needed. Adding a longer CD wouldn't even be noticeable in PvE. Also worth noting. Often it feels like this skill actually absorbs more then it's supposed to, never tested it though.
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Sunday, August 21st 2016, 8:34am

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Often it feels like this skill actually absorbs more then it's supposed to, never tested it though.


That's because knights often stack more than just one dmg reduction. Then there's pvp gear... and omg it's too late for numbers. Make a knight balance thread already LOL.... I need sleep
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Sunday, August 21st 2016, 11:47am

I'm not talking about knight, I'm talking about /k. Since it is a general skill, and apart from k/m you don't see many real knights in siege. And since p/k only dmg reduce is sod... But sure people can stack dmg reduce more. But if you go from hitting 200k to 50k, something is clearly wrong. Anyway I'll test it llater. Was just am observation I had in the past.
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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 3:04pm

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Anyhow I think the video prove once more that mages are not nearly as weak as somme ppl picture them and that they are a totally viable endgame option.
Just a huge pain to play because of buff alts and the huge dependence on wl/m, since if they don't finish stacks before AD you lose more than 9% from each stack, since the difference is than magnified by 1.45 during AD. They need to get rid of stacks completely and just add it to intensification or some CD shared by M/W and W/M.

Not sure if its been mentioned in this thread already, but gear wise, with the absence of int/ma from crafted, it is essentially impossible to stat a mage without Proof events since ini stats are not available and wis/ma is not an option, unlike melee, which can stat with both str/pa and dex/pa, with the second being filler stat. There's a lot less incentive to pull mage proof gear as well, because chain/leather give 2 "best" stats (dex/pa and str/pa), whereas cloth only has 1 (int/ma), which inevitably means less int/matk for sale and at a higher price since its less rewarding to pull.
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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 3:38pm

imo magical dps are the easiest to stat since you do not need to buy from ah, pull proof, set a foot on hm or even use bag stat to have the correct statting, you only need to do shells and crafting/ez mode and you are good to go. yes is you want perfect gear you need proofs and so does everyone and yes you do have only 2 stats you can sell in the stat pool vs 3 for melees, but you can actually use some of the proof gear you pull unlike melee. aside, you will realise the difference in top stats and yellow stats does so little for your dps. Also if you run hm it's actually easier to get mage gear since you are not rolling against anyone(at least in na).
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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 3:39pm

You can't get into matt from easy mode since 95 ini, changed then. Now you need to run hardmode for it. Int/matt proofs is total bs though.
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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 4:05pm

no more Int/Matk from crafting since level 95 so use the new bag stats that are 195 like the Bones stat. I always said that people should use what they can get for themselves as far as stats and gear goes. People need to step up their game and notice endgamers gear when you see one, check out their gear, most of them have bag stats on them!!!! and even crafted gloves.

Stop waiting for someone to carry you through hard mode instances and step it up and PUG away!!!!! :P

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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 5:49pm

if they are going to Extend the Cooldown on SoD, i DEMAND that they increase the reflected damage to a % ammount, and not that 50-100 point Flat damage BS.
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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 6:05pm

XD I thought this was mage balance, take off the lvl 50 cap off of fire element and wind element and for w/m gI've 100 light burn or let elec rage stack 4 to 5 times or after the third elec rage you can use such and such amount of damage.

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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 6:58pm

Yeah, 3 shell stat, bag stat, ??, ??
Doesn't help that AA and EoJ got nerfed to oblivion, though after 30+ mage AA pulls I still haven't actually pulled an int/matk arcanium myself so not sure how much that actually helped.
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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 8:59pm

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imo magical dps are the easiest to stat since you do not need to buy from ah, pull proof, set a foot on hm or even use bag stat to have the correct statting, you only need to do shells and crafting/ez mode
Lmfao what logical line of reasoning did your great mind follow to arrive at the conclusion that the most expensive combo in game is cheap to stat? Ever made an end game mage? Not even gone start on the swap gear or the fact that all mages are expected to play w.m meaning making an extra weapon and tali.
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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 9:43pm

RW needs to give mages Wand & Staff masteries.

Wand Mastery - +1% magic damage, +0.2% per level ( @ 98 = +20.6% ); increase cast speed by 1%, +0.5% per level ( @ 98 = +50% cast speed increase ); chance to not trigger GCD
Staff Mastery - +5% magic damage, +0.5% per level ( @ 98 = +50% )

If nothing else, the damage increase will be enough for various m/x to be chosen for runs. Also becomes 2 HUGE TP sinks.

But if RW does this, I highly recommend giving Priests a mastery as well:

Water Mastery - +5% water damage, +0.25% per level ( @ 98 = +25.5% )

Allowing Priests to also kind of DPS

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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 10:01pm

Mage tears are delicious! Just roll Warlock/Champion already OP Dark Magic Power scaling is insane! :minigun:
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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 10:03pm

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Mage tears are delicious! Just roll Warlock/Champion already OP Dark Magic Power scaling is insane! :minigun:
No warlock dps tears because they don't exist! :P
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Tuesday, August 23rd 2016, 10:16pm

Lmao wl dps, how cute.
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Wednesday, August 24th 2016, 12:32am

actually didn't know they changed the int/Ma from crafted with 95 cap, figured you could still get them since you can still get stam/def the other good stat you could get from crafting. It kinda changes that game quite a bit if mages are forced to use non farmable stats... sucks to be you guys welcome to the same world as strenght users. :cookie:

actually really sucks and not only for mages that you need to have proof or instance stat to go 6/0 unless you are using 3 bag stats which is probably still viable but doesn't feel too good.
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Wednesday, August 24th 2016, 12:38am

Mages are the most expensive to stat because A. Nobody pulls their stats, so they're both nearly impossible to buy AND incredibly expensive when they are for sale, and B. They require two fully statted/runed/plussed sets of gear in order to be viable. No question about it.

Not to mention orange mage stats have less chance of dropping in instances, and they're harder to pull with proofs.
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Wednesday, August 24th 2016, 12:44am

Well Soppy they changed it cause some people were saying it wasn't fair to people who ran endgame etc ( but it's ok to crafters that took years to level it to get it in the arse) , some tried to justify it as it was never meant to be blablabla, funny that we had it since level 80 till 92 before they FIXED IT. Made it so people could have access to more stats and gear up a bit faster but i guess that was a game changer and they had to fix it for those 4 people complaining about it and took them almost 3 years to do it, but ah well.

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