Runes of Magic US / AU

I can't tell you how impossible it is to find Control of Rites on Erebos even, a brand new stat (which obvi no one bothered pulling for cause who needs wis/matk?) Let alone trying to find a control of ravens or bones.

And if you do be prepared to pay upwards of 120m

People really just be hating Zid and they be messing it up for everyone else smh, and word mage is most expensive class in my opinion o cpild honestly say i spent about 200m to 500m a piece for each of my gear i wanna say more towards 500m or more.

Holy cow, what a q_q thread seriously. Firstly, to "exploit" ad you talk about literally one class, w/s which is beyond normal, its one str class of which there is many, so don't put then all into the same boat when they're completely different.

About gearing: Yes mage is currently by far the hardest to gear, due to the fact that the stat pulls on the items are total bs. As has been stated above, the main people pulling mage stats. Are the people pulling for use, because anyone planning to sell knows it's easier to pull melee for a higher chance at profit. Which generates an issue if you're looking to make a lot if gear, it requires you to have the proofs to do so. Which most don't have.

As for mage dps, there was a video already linked of mage doing viably, and in my guild we have warmages doing well too, imo the main issue is that on us side you're just used to buffing the crap out of w/s s/r etc etc that there is no chance any of them could keep up. Not to mention in a lot of runs I see you don't even max soul brand on boss.

So imo any weapon mastery is just a ridiculous idea by someone who probably doesn't even understand w the class currently is.

Quoted from "Cenre"

Not to mention in a lot of runs I see you don't even max soul brand on boss.

a lot of US wl/m's don't do soulbrand since there's only like 4 or so magic dps on the entire server lol.
Although if boss is dead in 5s I guess it wouldn't be a huge difference either way since it takes a minimum of 3s for max stacks unless you warp charge early.

I should probably point out that the vid is from one of the top mages on DE servers though, so its probably not representative of the "average" mage that doesn't have 200k matk unbuffed, but more what you can do at the maximum.

random question...but on topic.. what do some of the best geared mages over there in EU have ub (m/w)..
like for example... Grigoriouss in Bteam has like 187-188k UB.. does that even come close to you guys numbers wise? just wondering differences...

That mage is the top, not one of the top there as for matt on other eu servers no clue, 190-195 I guess. But the matt difference wont make much at all, due tot he fact that both m/w and w/m have plenty of matt during burst.
As for not using soul brand, I don't get why you wouldn't. Warp charge, crit resist skill, and then you still have a few seconds before you need to use silence...

Also, he has sigil for B2 and B3 so have to subtract probably around 20% to get his real burn dps on those.

@Cerb here's their mage screenshot thread http://board.eu.runesofmagic.gameforge.c…3038&pageNo=129

Well idk about erebos nut on Mithras we did use soul brand when I really played.
Also ma isn't everything it's also about crit and mdam.
Also only times I would see amazing results is when m/d m/wl and wl/m with s/r was in party other than that it'd bleh.

To answer the question about soul brand at least in VVV i would say that last time we had mages was in bp and we happened to have a lot of the warp charges resisted so we just made it do warp many times in a row, didn't run with a mage since then and never saw the point to change it. We do have the screenies/vids of how magio did earlier in the thread and it's totally acceptable dps is not the issue with mage. (idr if we did soul brand on those or not).

I usually stack Soul Brand for our fail mage dps *cough* Noble *cough*. Once i finish my Wl/C PvE gear i wanna run with some mage parties.

He did "acceptable" dps doing more than twice the work. There's a reason he quit playing mage.

Quoted from "pachat93"

To answer the question about soul brand at least in VVV i would say that last time we had mages was in bp and we happened to have a lot of the warp charges resisted so we just made it do warp many times in a row, didn't run with a mage since then and never saw the point to change it. We do have the screenies/vids of how magio did earlier in the thread and it's totally acceptable dps is not the issue with mage. (idr if we did soul brand on those or not).

Word if us mages put that worked into melee we would be unstoppable

Bo the point was that if RW kept mage the same but made them only need 1 set of gear and not have to bring 2 alts outside the instance they would be totally fine and If a melee put the same work as a mage they wouldn't do much better WK simply because getting 1 tier higher requires 3x the ressources and doesn't bring a hole that much

Quoted from "Borella"

Mages are the most expensive to stat because A. Nobody pulls their stats, so they're both nearly impossible to buy AND incredibly expensive when they are for sale, and B. They require two fully statted/runed/plussed sets of gear in order to be viable. No question about it.

Not to mention orange mage stats have less chance of dropping in instances, and they're harder to pull with proofs.

This is a part of the reason I suggested being able to pull your specific stats, but the thread pretty much died and a select few believed it would be "OP" or breaks their gambling experience and shouldn't happen.

Quoted from "pachat93"

Bo the point was that if RW kept mage the same but made them only need 1 set of gear and not have to bring 2 alts outside the instance they would be totally fine and If a melee put the same work as a mage they wouldn't do much better WK simply because getting 1 tier higher requires 3x the ressources and doesn't bring a hole that much

The second set of gear really isn't the biggest issue, imo, since most of us have that done already and str/stam isn't exactly the hardest stat to get. Its also not as important to have that set be up to date.

At this point, its probably impossible to stat even with PoM event. Zen's pull rate for controls was close to 1 in 6 after a very large number of pulls, which is expected given the number of stats in the stat pool, and with 3 shells and a bag, you still need 2 controls per piece x 15? pieces = 30 controls = 180 pulls = 1800 PoMs.... Restatting your entire set of gear might be not an immediate concern for everyone, but eventually each piece of gear will have to be restatted. Would be nice to see crafted int/matk again, or wisdom giving 1.9 matk so that we have the option to use 2 different stats like melee (I'm sure the healers would like this too), or make stat stats viable again and end this ridiculous 6x same stat meta.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Would be nice to see crafted int/matk again, or wisdom giving 1.9 matk so that we have the option to use 2 different stats like melee (I'm sure the healers would like this too), or make stat stats viable again and end this ridiculous 6x same stat meta.

Still think that this 6x attack stat meta is because of the way instances are. burn and win. But as I am writing this, it'll probably still not change even if instances become full strat. With siege gear so prevalent, people will just swap out a few pve pieces for pvp to be able to survive fights (ie RH1) and still have their gear for burnable bosses.

wis/mattack could finally be a useful!!! but users going 6x str/pa can say the same thing. luckily scouts and/or rogues can get away with using both dex anhd str. not so lucky for full 6 same stat users.

perhaps make int/ma show twice on the loot table for poms. like others have said before, when pulling for str/pa, you'll have a chance to at least get another usable stat, dex/pa, to either trade or sell. cloth not having the luxury to do that sucks. same goes for instance drops...either double chance on mage gear or have int/ma show on the healer gear as well (if it isnt already Edit: scratch that str/pa only can show on chain. at least dex/pa can show on 2 different set of gear XD, maybe make str/pa be able to show on the scout leather set and have int/ma show on healer gear as well, so all classes have 2 sets of gear to drop the desired x/attack stat

Or you could simply make mems, eoj and norm mode drop good stats as well can you believe it back then when ppl were going 4/2 these stats droped dirty on ez mode, clean on norm and from mem pulls. Why don't we just have that now that ppl stat 6/0 it would solve so many issues like statting been inconvenient or ppl having no option to progress their gear once their dailies and minis are done. That feeling that all you can run outside of hm been useless and so on. Maybe it's not something you want on german server where many guilds run hm daily and it's fine, but when you have 1 guild per server who can run the latest stuff and doesn't do it on a daily basis and almost no stat hit ah i think it would be justified to have those access to stats.

we all have great ideas for balancing mage but will runewaker actually change something when EU mages are doing great?

question for EU:
what do the melee people think? do the EU melee complain like how US mages complain? do they feel underpowered in your parties? like the rogues in that Raven Heart video noble linked a couple pages back...they did like half the damage of the mage. Like wth? on a long fight too.

At shay I assume their melee aren't as good as ours and at soppy, 1 tier higher dies make a huge diff trust me and also some end game mages stat two tier higher imagine if you did that on melee.
Since we mages have wand and tali some us of setitle for t12 but if we only needed one like melee we would t13 that is a big diff.
Also swap gear is atleast 2 billion gold. Higher tiers mean more crit more attack and more damage so your wrong.