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Quoted from "Magío"

How would putting a 2nd effect on intensification to lower casting speed cap affect W/M and K/M at all? Enlighten me with your vast knowledge please.

Although putting a casting speed boost on intensification will increase mage dps. It makes much more sense and seems a lot more reasonable to make guitar and lute stack instead. Because this way not only will the mages get a boost but so will the druids and other casters such as the m/wl, wl's, priests etc.

Which means the only useful boost to put on intensification is a bigger crit damage boost and or a raw damage boost. Which will unbalance w/m and k/m performance in pvp. Although I care not for pvp because I don't pvp, but as I said, people tend to complain a lot more when it comes to pvp over pve.

Quoted from "bilalab"

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "ancientgear"

And lol I see people keep saying that mages have crowd control. LMAO when was the last time was this actually employed?

and whose fault is this?

pop some candy, run in, and discharge. then have 2 more mages follow up, and nobody should even be in any danger. if, for some reason there is a bad pull/discharge misses, there are 5+ other people in your group with additional CC abilities.

communicate with your party.

the only issue is when 1) the trash hits before you can get a discharge off, or 2) some mob has an aoe that it is for some reason able to pop before being locked down. tanks have aoe aggro skills.

if you are getting 1 shot by trash, you might want to rethink your playstyle, and/or make a couple stam/hp/def offpieces and wear them for trash (or pvp gear).

yes, it might take longer, but it *should* be safer.

wow... just wow...

first sign of bad boss fight... when you have to use immunes to have the only chance of completing the fight... fight sign of complete stupidity in designing instances is forcing ppl to start the fight against regular mobs with immunes... thus they have to wait 3 mins for immunes to come back to start the next fight...

a couple of stam/hp/def pieces wouldn't help at all... 200k hp and pdef is still 1 shot in the instnaces so your suggesting a mage to stat mostly as a tank (stam/hp/def) to be able to survive the mobs up close to just help with CC... well guess what? those mages won't be able to dps sh!t which removes their main role as RANGED DPS.

you know what would be even safer? not going into the instance...

^This.

I don't know how it is like in bone peak or veiled crypt because I haven't been in either in hard mode. And last time I was in coeh, (ill admit it was quite few months ago), the mobs were so strong that they needed to be pulled 1-2 at a time because the tank cant handle more and or the dps doesn't kill the trash fast enough. And if easy mode is anything to go by, the aggro sensitivity of bone peak trash is so high that almost all mobs will have to be silence pulled or it will be a 100% raid wipe.

So even if by some miracle mages do use immunes or w/e and does manage to survive against mobs, there is no aforementioned "crowd" to control. Because long gone are the days when the trash were easy to kill and the boss was hard. Now its 95% of your raid time gone behind trash and 5% to actually kill the boss.

Quoted from "Magío"

You just have the tank pull first, survive the first second. Mages run in and start the discharge rotation....

All this was already suggested in the "Intensification" thread. And it just died. No GM saying forwarded. Nobody ever agreeing as a group.

Eruption chance on intensification? Check

Lowering Speed casting cap? Check

Guitar stacking with Lute? Check


So stop flaming each other and agree to something as a group otherwise the GM's will have a lame excuse to do squat$%^@ and just blame us all for having nothing forwarded. K? THANKS!

The intensification thread was full of irrational and nonsensical arguments. So any good idea that did happen to come out from it wouldn't be put forward anyways.

As far as GMs go, I don't think a single one of them has even read this mage thread. They probably think its like the intensification one and are keeping their distance until someone starts to complain in IRC at which point they will be obligated to come and snoop around.

Quoted from "Magío"

Warriorking please stop posting. Warrior/Mage clears trash fine as is damage-wise. This is about Mage primary. Only place Warrior/Mage and Knight/Mage have in this thread is for balancing issues. For example: Buffing intensification to give a lot of actual magic damage will make K/M and probably W/M broken in Siege War. Period. Make your own thread about 100% LBW. K? Thanks, bye.



Ok guys. Guitar stacking will do little for the M/W which is the combo that actually competes atm.

We have two options. Complete overhaul of how Mage/x DPS works. More than just spamming Flame. Which to be honest, will never happen with Runewaker.

Or making a few buffs. Best ideas from past threads and now that I remember are:

1) Intensification raises chance of Eruption (Flame hitting twice).
2) Lower Casting Speed Cap below .5s + Guitar stacking with Lute.


So comment on these. And keep it civilized.

I think the most simplest way to better m/x dps is to make guitar and lute stackable and put magical def reduction on tactical smash. I made a thread about ts19 a while back and it got shot down real quick. But whether a raid is melee based or mage based or universal all the required buffers/debuffers are universal. k/p, wd/s, k/w, ch/p, wl/m, m/wl, druid seeds. These are all universal buffers and no raid is going to be clearing anything worth clearing without most of these combo's in the party. So why go the extra mile to stop guitar and lute from stacking and from ts19 giving a mdef reduction? I mean the melee doesn't even benefit from guitar except for scout on just 1 skill so just why go so far and make them not stack? Seems stupid to me.

I very much like the idea of intensification. Maybe make intensification give 2 buffs. The normal 20 second one and a 15 minute one. The 15 minute buff can give one of the 2 buffs below.

Either just give a flat out 30-50% increase of eruption occurring on fire based spells. (Because not only will this better m/x dps in burns, but also increase mage dps during long fights or trash clearing.)

Or the 15 minute buff can give some kind of stackable buff, which increase chance of eruption occurring by say idk 5% for each fire based spell cast. The skill is maxed at 10 or w/e stacks and each stack lasts for 10 seconds before it either resets or goes up another stack because another fire based spell has been cast. (very similar to the forge buff for champ. The more they attack the more rage and attack boost they get. )

Quoted from "Borella"

I will never understand why it's apparently perfectly okay that Warriors, Wardens, Rogues, and Scouts all get to play together and be viable together but mages are expected to have to run very specific mage only parties and will never be able to perform as well as a melee dps without a crapload of mage specific buffs.

^ This.

Discouraging diversity irrelevant of the context Is always a bad idea.

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

AG is right, this is an archaic thing that hasn't happened since.. I dunno, but a long time ago.

why did people stop doing it is my point.

people have complained about nasty trash, yet one of the most effective ways to COMPLETELY lock trash down (negating most of the danger) has been discontinued.

so far the discussion has gone: "we keep dying on trash" "then how about you stun the trash so it can't hit you?" "but we can't/won't because the trash kills us"

am i missing something here?



on the actual topic of the thread: magio has got a good suggestion there for intensification increasing eruption chance. that only affects m/x, and is a (nearly) uniform buff across the board. only issue i can see is with fireball and pvp. maybe just have intensification only increase erupt. chance on flame, and then add chance to plasma arrow(or other skills) to mix things up?

People stopped doing it because its much easier and safer to pull one mob at a time and kill it than pull a crap ton and do all sorts of fancy jumping around with discharge. Even when whole raid helps to kill, trash takes too long to die. And it all started in grotto imo. Before grotto, I could go in belathis hard, get up close and personal with a trash and know that I will last a good deal of time against said trash before dieing. But the day that grotto came out, I went in hard mode and got one shot straight away. It feels like since grotto they have been buffing the living crap out of the trash mobs.

I stand corrected. Can we please have the thread moved to suggestions for it to be official in case any of it gets forwarded.

Quoted from "mohammed1234"

Also intensification was my idea don't steal my credit lol

Uhh don't think anyone is attempting any such thing.