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Friday, May 27th 2016, 7:32pm

about +20 jewels

this is probably more a question to GF/gm's then a discussion. Does gameforge have any intention of making +20 jewels more available?

By more available i mean having the option to say i pay X diamonds i get Y jewels like we have for every other item in the game.
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Friday, May 27th 2016, 8:31pm

I believe you're looking for the term "more accessible". Maybe it's because I'm ESL but "more available" just sounds really awkward to me.

I would also like to know what are their plans on this, but seeing how they made it even more expensive to obtain them with that new Wheel I believe we can make an educated guess of what will happen.

Hopefully I'm wrong since these items, in my opinion, make this game way more P2W than it was when +16 was the max plussing.


P.S. Them replying to this and letting us know their plans on +20 jewels would really be one of those "transparency" issues that we've seen discussed on the forums.
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Saturday, May 28th 2016, 1:09am

The GMs asked for a dose of transparency here and we got one. Let's see about rolling for two...

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Saturday, June 4th 2016, 3:07pm

It's been over a week any update?
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Saturday, June 4th 2016, 10:01pm

Update?
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Sunday, June 5th 2016, 6:44am

well unless I missing something there still hasn't been an answer to the opening question, figured the answer wasn't known to the gm when I first asked it and wondering if they have it now.
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Tuesday, June 7th 2016, 2:30pm

plus 20jewels

the reason why you haven't seen a reply is because they have no answer for it they are supposedly passing all this information forward but as you can see we still havent heared a answer back on this issue an the issue of the same dam event going on for almost 2 months now an the fact the player base is getting smaller an smaller meaning the only time players are logging in now is for siege war. Also they still haven't fixed the bag drop issue along with the missing 97 seed issue an the wall issue in sw ect ect. I would't hold your breath on a response on what may or may not take place the europeans are mad about that stupid wheel also. :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash:

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Tuesday, June 7th 2016, 5:01pm

+20 gems will be in the item shop as soon as it becomes possible to plus items to +24.

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Tuesday, June 7th 2016, 10:47pm

+20 gems will be in the item shop as soon as it becomes possible to plus items to +24.

i agree with this and it will happen as it did for the +16 jewels and we were all QQ'ing about those 4 years ago too.

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Wednesday, June 8th 2016, 2:27pm

A negative answer is still an answer.

IIRC the problem with +16 was they went from available every month for 20 dia per jewel at 80 cap to only available in gashas at 82 cap then only available for 59 diamonds per jewels before they actually decided to put them permanently in the IS for their current price. Considering they made something that was easy to get and relatively cheap to super hard to get and super expensive was a good reason to complain about it.

As for the current +20s I do not see why we wouldn't complain about them, they are very hard to get, not really an option for f2p. Paying someone to play the wheel for you will only get you the jewels vs playing wheel for yourself gives you at least some items(useless most of the time) in that sense it's even worse then gasha's. Odds of getting +20 from wheel were not great with the old ones and simply terrible with the new one. Having a required item for endgame been this hard to get and this expensive is a very frustrating situation that doesn't benefit gf nor the players. RoM is already hard/expensive enough without that extra barrier.

why would making the jewels available more valuable then the current wheel? Isn't having players spend thousands of diamonds to get an item +20 optimal? the thing is would you rather have 10 players spend 8k diamonds on your wheel once a year or a hundred spending 2k everytime they make a new piece of gear? obviously these are fictional numbers but they carry the general idea. If the expense doesn't seem too high people will spend and they might end up spending more then they would have actually spend on the high price item. Also, more people will spend since it will be below the treshold they set themselves for spending. In short, lowering the overall price of +20s would make a larger appeal to a larger crowd and end up with higher sales overall. Also, the issue with the current situation is not only one of price, altough jewels are very expensive as it is, the fact that you cannot get them directly and need to get lucky for it is a strong deterent for many people who do not want to gamble. Were the jewels available for a similar price without the element of luck a lot of people might decide to bite the bullet and pay the price. I know quite a few people who currently stay away from the wheel, but wouldn't mind paying for the jewels were they ever sold normally outside of it.
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Wednesday, June 8th 2016, 3:13pm

I am one of those people that do not play the wheel because of the fail rates, but would buy them from IS if they were offered. The price for +17 to +20 for people such as myself that spend most of there time in ROM either in siege or doing dailies is currently way to high with the fail rate of the wheel and the fail rate of the gems.

With the fail rates on the current gems it is already expensive getting gear to +16 and putting 4 rune slots, which makes the costs crazy to get to +20 on a gambling method of getting the gems you actually need, that also have a fail rate built into them.

Gamble to get the gem, gamble to get it plussed up with the fail rate, that is why i dont even try to get the +17 thru +20 gems anymore. Most of us have accepted that we will gamble with the fail rate, but we know we can get more gems easily if it does fail. I could just imagine the cursing that happens when someone fails at +19, drops to +18 with no more of those gems, to go back and gamble another ton of diamonds to get to +20.
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Wednesday, June 8th 2016, 4:27pm

they could make them more available to players but then put the failure at plussing higher, hence you end up in the same situation as every other jewels.

Now you gamble to get +20 jewels and still have a percentage of failure.

They could put 14 jewels in the wheel slots and i bet you that you'll get a 5% chance of getting them and 95% to get the other 2 items in there. But it is not gambling, of course not, oh look overthere!!! shinnies!!

GM's care, Gameforge just doesn't and that is the biggest issue for the game

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Wednesday, June 8th 2016, 11:28pm

was thinking about it and maybe the question is asked wasn't the right one. I would rather ask this:

1. Has the player desire to have cheaper and easier to get +20 plussers been fowarded to gameforge?
2. If it was fowarded did gameforge give any information on the issue since then?
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Thursday, June 9th 2016, 3:33am

looking at the database, lvl 100 +16 looks better than lvl 90 +20, so hopefully they will just phase +20 out.
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