Rogue Rotation...?

bleedingblak

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Friday, July 15th 2011, 9:36am

Pre chapter 4, didn't blind spot > low blow > 3x Wound Attack?

http://www.xfire.com/video/43b9d5/

^ says it did.

No clue why it took till now to find out, but blind spot won't count towards an attack for wound attack, but it will for low blow, so grevious wound will still activate. Thus only 2x wound attacks actually happening.

I still won't be using ss, since its way weaker than BS and the wound attack loss will be regained even more by using blind spot.

While blind spot is still cooling down, I'll be spamming shot (0 CD)and VA...

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Friday, July 15th 2011, 5:40pm

Quoted from "bleedingblak;443293"

Pre chapter 4, didn't blind spot > low blow > 3x Wound Attack?

http://www.xfire.com/video/43b9d5/

^ says it did.

No clue why it took till now to find out, but blind spot won't count towards an attack for wound attack, but it will for low blow, so grevious wound will still activate. Thus only 2x wound attacks actually happening.

I still won't be using ss, since its way weaker than BS and the wound attack loss will be regained even more by using blind spot.

While blind spot is still cooling down, I'll be spamming shot (0 CD)and VA...

I...am...Confused...

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bleedingblak

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Friday, July 15th 2011, 9:40pm

When you use blind spot (or shadowstab) a DoT (damage over time) is placed on the boss as a "bleeding" effect which takes "x" HP from the boss every tick. Low blow puts a "grevious wound" effect on the boss which takes "x" HP from the boss every tick, but this "grevious wound" cannot be place onto the boss unless a bleeding effect has already been applied from either blind spot, or shadow stab.

So let's talk about wound attack. Wound attack attacks:

1) For itself
2) attacks again if there is a bleeding effect on the monster
3) attacks one more time if there is a grevious wound on the monster.
(^so it hits the monster three times)

If you watch my damage log on the right side of my screen, you can clearly see that I opened up with blind spot several times and used low blow, and then wound attack so that wound attack would hit three times.

After chapter four, you can still use blind spot (and get the bleeding effect) then use low blow, and then use wound attack. I don't know if its the new way wound attack works (maybe it is...?) but wound attack will only work like this now:

1) For itself
2) For a bleeding caused only by shadowstab OR sneak attack (blind spot bleed no longer works)
3) For grevious wound (which can be activated by blind spot or shadowstab)

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Friday, July 15th 2011, 9:41pm

Quoted from "adf11;443357"

I...am...Confused...

I am confused too. However, if I recall you seem confused more frequently than I?

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bleedingblak

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Friday, July 15th 2011, 9:52pm

Let's put it like this. It you used this rogue combination, and checked ur combat log, it would show something like this:

blind spot hits for 200k
low blow hits for 120k
wound attack hits for 100k
wound attack hits for 100k (extra damage from blind spot bleed)
wound attack hits for 100k (extra damage from grevious wound)

now its

blind spot hits for 200k
low blow hits for 120k
wound attack hits for 100k
wound attack hits for 100k (extra damage from grevious wound)

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Friday, July 15th 2011, 11:58pm

So... start with shawdowstab, not blind spot?
Which addon is that?
And why does HoS boss have 10 million HP when the bosses in RT dia and KT only have 10 million too o_O

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bleedingblak

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Saturday, July 16th 2011, 12:40am

No, do not start with shadowstab. Blind spot will make up for the one extra wound attack caused by shadowstab's bleed, and is stronger than shadowstab.

I was wondering if anyone else noticed this and if it was once chapter 4 was released, and if this was supposed to happen.

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sammybammy20

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Sunday, July 17th 2011, 10:17am

Quoted from "bleedingblak;443566"

No, do not start with shadowstab. Blind spot will make up for the one extra wound attack caused by shadowstab's bleed, and is stronger than shadowstab.

I was wondering if anyone else noticed this and if it was once chapter 4 was released, and if this was supposed to happen.

Good spotting on this. Had to have a laugh at all the people who don't understand how the skills work.

As for this being intentional or not, I would submit a ticket or contact a GM. I haven't read through all of the patch notes but I certainly didn't see anything to do with SS/BS/WA. This could be a bug and we're missing out on some extra DPS which is never good.

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bleedingblak

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Tuesday, August 9th 2011, 9:10am

Quoted from "sammybammy20;443933"

Good spotting on this. Had to have a laugh at all the people who don't understand how the skills work.

As for this being intentional or not, I would submit a ticket or contact a GM. I haven't read through all of the patch notes but I certainly didn't see anything to do with SS/BS/WA. This could be a bug and we're missing out on some extra DPS which is never good.

I was told it is a bug.

I reported it and they asked me to replicate the instance, and I did with video proof. They said they would look into it, I submitted another one and they said that RW needs to address the problem.

Ive been checking every patch now, but no change yet :\ I really hate the rotation im using too, i loved blind spot

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Tuesday, August 9th 2011, 10:32am

When premed up, I would BS -> SS -> Low -> Wound for the massive crit.

But in the middle of a fight, I would still do SS -> Low Blow -> Wound attack because SS is 5 less energy than BS and gives you an extra wound attack. Based on my calculations, which could be wrong, SS + 1 extra Wound > 1 Blind in damage AND uses 5 less energy.

Then if I had energy thief up, then I would BS -> SS -> Low -> Wound -> Lowx3 -> Wound. Then repeat.

When they fix it, back to BS -> Low -> Wound. Hopefully soon!

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Tuesday, August 9th 2011, 3:58pm

Quoted from "bleedingblak;443566"

No, do not start with shadowstab. Blind spot will make up for the one extra wound attack caused by shadowstab's bleed, and is stronger than shadowstab.

I was wondering if anyone else noticed this and if it was once chapter 4 was released, and if this was supposed to happen.

BS LB 2x WA
753% + 569% + 1054% = 2376% dps
SS LB 3x WA
398% + 569% + 1581% = 2548% dps

That's why I'll be using The lower version until this is fixed, for it costs less energy and doesn't require backattack (my experience is for big bosses, you sometimes walk out of GH reach)

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bleedingblak

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Wednesday, August 10th 2011, 4:10am

Quoted from "NewSkythief;452552"

BS LB 2x WA
753% + 569% + 1054% = 2376% dps
SS LB 3x WA
398% + 569% + 1581% = 2548% dps

That's why I'll be using The lower version until this is fixed, for it costs less energy and doesn't require backattack (my experience is for big bosses, you sometimes walk out of GH reach)

Yup, thats how it is for me now.

I'm slowly forgetting my blind spot rotation though lol. I had it down to energy %'s

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RyanTheFizz

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Monday, August 15th 2011, 7:06am

Quoted from "bleedingblak;443467"

1) For itself
2) For a bleeding caused only by shadowstab OR sneak attack (blind spot bleed no longer works)
3) For grevious wound (which can be activated by blind spot or shadowstab)

With Blind Spot out, which do you think is going to be better? (I am R/P)

Sneak Attack -> Low Blow -> Wound
or
Shadowstab -> Low Blow -> Wound

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bleedingblak

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Monday, August 15th 2011, 9:34am

Sneak attack > low blow > wound

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Monday, August 15th 2011, 11:27am

Definitely Sneak Attack,

It is a 20 second bleed. Save your Energy,

Sneak Attack > Low Blow > Wound Attack (Wait for Energy) > Low Blow > Wound Attack.

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Friday, August 26th 2011, 6:05pm

I realize this is an older thread. I just wanted to put this out there in case it hasn't been posted yet.

R/D and R/K, two combos which both have elites having to do with BS, currently get the 3rd wound attack hit off the BS bleed. I was messing around with this and noticed. Not sure if this is new or old. R/W, who does not have an elite for BS, still does not get a 3rd wound attack hit. That means that R/S, R/Wd, and R/M probably don't either. R/P might though (Sneak Attack is still probably better for them though).

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bleedingblak

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Thursday, September 1st 2011, 10:34am

Quoted from "sshades;458443"

I realize this is an older thread. I just wanted to put this out there in case it hasn't been posted yet.

R/D and R/K, two combos which both have elites having to do with BS, currently get the 3rd wound attack hit off the BS bleed. I was messing around with this and noticed. Not sure if this is new or old. R/W, who does not have an elite for BS, still does not get a 3rd wound attack hit. That means that R/S, R/Wd, and R/M probably don't either. R/P might though (Sneak Attack is still probably better for them though).

ooo very interesting...

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Friday, October 7th 2011, 11:36pm

Quoted from "NewSkythief;452552"

BS LB 2x WA
753% + 569% + 1054% = 2376% dps
SS LB 3x WA
398% + 569% + 1581% = 2548% dps

That's why I'll be using The lower version until this is fixed, for it costs less energy and doesn't require backattack (my experience is for big bosses, you sometimes walk out of GH reach)

Is this still the preferred rotation? 3x Wound Attack though? doesn't it have a 6 second cd?

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ClayWolfe

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Saturday, October 8th 2011, 12:44am

See this post.

Wound Attack is supposed to do extra damage against targets that already have a bleed effect and/or grievous wound placed on them. A target hit by Shadow Stab and Low Blow has one of each, so the wound attack does damage 3 times.