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Tuesday, July 19th 2011, 10:22pm

Wisdom and it's effect on Healing

Excuse me if this has been posted before - but I've searched high and low and have been meaning to find the true answer.

Does wisdom truly add to +healing power at all?

I played a Druid in chapter 2, up until WA came out. For more than one reason, I was forced to re-roll, and create a new character - my current one - a rogue/scout.

I've added Druid as a third class because I decided I want to heal again.

From various tests I have found that any amount of wisdom I've added or removed did absolutely nothing to raise my heals. And yet almost everyone I know is insistent that I gear with wisdom (in that it will increase my healing), when *in my opinion* wisdom is going to do nothing but give you MP pool, magic defense and magic accuracy.

Therefore I have been statting myself with intelligence since I'd rather be able to do damage and have a somewhat smaller mana pool than to be nothing but a healing meat shield.

Stamina/HP/defense will always be my main priority on a healer regardless. But I'm really curious as to how other fellow druids are statting themselves - intelligence or wisdom?
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Tuesday, July 19th 2011, 10:45pm

In general, 30% * Wisdom * BaseCastTime is added from your wisdom to your heals. However, this is modified by various percentage increase skills in the game. Also, I'm not entirely sure if anyone figured out how Camelia specifically works, and Blossoming Life does some weird stuff.

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Tuesday, July 19th 2011, 11:32pm

You can check easily with the druid buff Concentration Prayer which gives wisdom. Though you can definitely see it does something to the heals, a lot of people consider it too small to bother with. That said, wis helps druids more than it helps priests.

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Tuesday, July 19th 2011, 11:35pm

Quoted from "sshades;444890"

In general, 30% * Wisdom * BaseCastTime is added from your wisdom to your heals. However, this is modified by various percentage increase skills in the game. Also, I'm not entirely sure if anyone figured out how Camelia specifically works, and Blossoming Life does some weird stuff.


If I may ask - what does your mother earth's fountain hit for - and how much wisdom do you have? As well as your current gear setup. I'm 100% happy with what my hots tick for, but my MEF only hits for 15k normals / 33k crits or so. My blossoming life is 2,300 - my healing arrows is 6,000 - and my camellia flower is anywhere from 3,000 to 3,400 to 3,800.

When fully buffed I only hit 6,681 wisdom. I'm very much still in the process of gearing my Druid - but I have all the base pieces that I need to stat / +12. Only maybe 3 of my pieces are statted right now.

Without a hero potion I have 5,568 wisdom and I do the same amount of healing as I do without.

My setup is - Shadoj Belt / Gloves / Earrings, Supervisor Silence Rings, Oracle Necklace, Tribute Headdress / Boots / Shoulder Guards, Kawak's Gown, Savage Light Cape, Wodjin's Blessing Long Pants. T9 +12 Raksha's Magic Staff.

Again, not the greatest, but that's what I'm working with.
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Tuesday, July 19th 2011, 11:38pm

Quoted from "tsundae;444919"

You can check easily with the druid buff Concentration Prayer which gives wisdom. Though you can definitely see it does something to the heals, a lot of people consider it too small to bother with. That said, wis helps druids more than it helps priests.


I also forgot to mention that Concentration Prayer has absolutely no effect on my heals. Perhaps my wisdom is too low to take this into consideration but again - zero effect. :/
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Tuesday, July 19th 2011, 11:44pm

You have to check with the ticks in hots. If those go up, wis affects it. Heal casts (MEF, Recover burst etc) all vary too much to get an accurate reading.

I don't know how healing arrows, camellia flower works, but recover hot and blossoming life are affected by wis.

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Wednesday, July 20th 2011, 5:40am

Well Heidi then ur toon must be bugged since when I add concentration prayer to my toon my completely unbuffed setup my blossoming life regen goes form 2072 to 2090, my healing arrows goes from 5502 to 5551 i know its not much but CP is not adding much wisdom. Yes wisdom adds to healing a very small amount and no wisdom should not be a primary stat to add but it really doesnt matter how much pdef u add only thing that matters for healers is stam, hp, wis. Unless u want to dps but in that case u might as well grab a few pieces of mage gear and put them in ur bag and make a macro to put the pieces on ur toon for when u want to dps they dont need to be fully plussed or tierd but just statted to get u some INT.


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Wednesday, July 20th 2011, 6:14am

Raksha!?!?!?

Ok, I don't mean to be critical, but first things first: you need a healing staff if you want to be a healer. MDmg is second most important number to you, but healing bonus is the first! To be using a weapon, T9... 10... 12? It does not matter if you're losing 1600 points of healing bonus from a Guardian or more from the new staves. My first recommendation is that you find a healing 2-hander and test that out before messing with anything else. Or you can go the PVP route and find a Shadoj wand and a healing shield, but on my server those are few and far between.

Good luck.

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Wednesday, July 20th 2011, 3:42pm

ok first off let me say that im a 67/62 druid scout.

ok as for the question if wisdom adds to your healing, the answer is yes it does. the best way for you to observe this is to check your hots before/after adding concentration prayer. however if yor skill level is too low or you dont have apx 2k wis you wont see much difference

also look for gear with healing power bonus on it. this is a straight bonus to your heals. so if it says 1200 hpb then it will add 1200 to your heals.


wisdom is only one part of the healing formula. i suggest reading this article done by remilafo as it will give you a good insight as to what you want to stat for your d/s.
http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=50481

now as for gear, i currently use:
tribute full set
shadoj set minust earings
savage light cape
flame dragon intel set for accessories
t9+12 heart of nature staff.

this imho is the best gear up to the new instances for a d/s. many ppl argue that you would do better with a kawak gown and such but the set bonus from the tribute set is pretty nice.

to maximize your heals you want:

healing power bonus
high magic damage
high wisdom
max you passive skills(pure healing, the wisdom one in your general skills)
get magic damage food (better then the 5%healing bonus from heal food when i tested it)
lvl a water element holy pet egg
either healing potion of spell casting speed potions. (i use spell casting speed)

and then its just good old practice makes perfect.

my gear is almost completly crimson stated save for my wings and my strikers, so im on the very high end of the game as far as druids are concerned.


on a side note. camillia flower blossom life and healing arrows, as well as the recover regen all work mainly on hpb and magic damage. wisdom is a component, but its effects seem smaller becasue the heal is divided over X number of ticks. but again read up on the healing section of the article i posted earlier in this post.

any questions feel free to pm me :)
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Thursday, July 21st 2011, 1:36am

I, for a long time now, have been an advocate of healers statting like a mage. They can do more damage when soloing, to be able to get things done quicker for themselves, and yet can do just fine in the healing department. The caveat is you must use healing gear. Gear with plus to heals is vital, and will add far more to your heals than any amount of wisdom you will add. Wisdom is a stat you use as a filler just to increase your mana pool IMO. There are some serious formulas out there to describe how wisdom affects your healing, but from personal tests, it has not been a needed stat since chapter three hit.

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Thursday, July 21st 2011, 4:56am

From a friend of mine, who is arguably the best druid on artemis (although not well known, he duo heals GC hard with a priest) he uses full vahtos set since, according to him, mdamage does more for druids than healing power. I'd believe him since his heals are OP and he does his research.
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Thursday, July 21st 2011, 5:45am

Vahtos doesn't help mDam significantly, it gives a 15% bonus to the total output (both offensive and restorative). Furthermore, mDam is only available from your weapon; of which you can have only one (2 if D/R). Healing bonus, on the other hand, can be stacked from a number of sources. Heal Bonus also has a significant effect on HoTs due to the way they're calculated. I'd say its about as important as mDam, maybe.

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Thursday, July 21st 2011, 7:03am

Quoted from "midknight129;445412"

Vahtos doesn't help mDam significantly, it gives a 15% bonus to the total output (both offensive and restorative). Furthermore, mDam is only available from your weapon; of which you can have only one (2 if D/R). Healing bonus, on the other hand, can be stacked from a number of sources. Heal Bonus also has a significant effect on HoTs due to the way they're calculated. I'd say its about as important as mDam, maybe.


It might not be as sigificant as healing bonsus but I would say that 15% is very siginificant especially once you get past 3500 never mind when you get to 5000 damage

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Thursday, July 21st 2011, 4:04pm

Correction, Vahtos doesn't give an mDam bonus at all. I forgot that it was +25 mAtk, not mDam. But what I mean is that the Vahtos set doesn't help just mDam. It tacks on a 1.15x factor to the whole spell; meaning it magnifies the mDam, sDam, Wisdom Bonus, and +Healing bonus, not just the mDam.

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Thursday, July 21st 2011, 7:52pm

basically vahto set increases your total heal amount by 15%. so if your restore life does 30k now, it will heal for around 34.5k with the vahtos bonus.

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Saturday, July 23rd 2011, 7:54am

That's not actually true. When I did testing on the multipliers, the problem is that they show up in a different place in the equation (for some nonsense reason) depending on which spell is being used. In many cases, the heal multipliers aren't on the outside of the outer parentheses of the equations. Vahtos set, for example, has a greater effect on HOT ticks than on direct heals. These tests were last chapter, but they seemed to show that the Vahtos set boosted healing power increase points (that is the in game name of the healer gear bonuses) in most HOT spells but not in most direct heal spells.

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Saturday, January 28th 2012, 6:15pm

On The Vahtos subject..lv 70/42 d/s (Yes I need to get secondary to 45 don't bug me)
The new all mem vendor set, which gives healing bonuses, I would consider better then the Vahtos, I havn't finished experimenting, (Havn't wipped all the pieces so some have derpy stats) But so far it seems to me the healing power from the mem set is better then the Vahtos 1.15 multiplier. I've also heard from a friend on grimdale server that she uses the Jugglers set for the 1.1 multiplier and the Ok ghost stats. Anyone else use jugglers?
Anyways onto wisdom. Wisdom is from what I've seen and heard, more important for druids then priests because it affects HoTs. Druids exspecially d/s's like myself use alot of Hots. When you use CP my Healing arrows starts ticking for another ~300 per, though I have a little over 7000 wis so concentrated prayers giving me ~300 wis. This means its a bit more noticable for me then for you, and I've experimented ith it, its about +100 per tick of camilian arrows, ect. Anyways, stacking wis is for Doting mainly... in my oppinion, which is why Preists stack or should stack more hp/stam/def then we should. My thought is that yes wisdom helps heals, but if you put on healing gear int/mage stated it will hurt your heals somewhat (You'll likely never be endgame heals) but you will be able to heal the lower instances.
So basically what you need to know from above
-I think Vahtos is worse then mem set but not finished experimenting
-Anyone tried with jugglers? (For the int stated druid this might be your optimum set)
-Wisdom helps dots..druids should stack more then priests
-You can heal ok in healing bonus clothes mage stated but you likly won't be endgame heals

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Saturday, January 28th 2012, 11:16pm

Vahtos is good until the gch+ sets. The lack of crit can't be ignored, and may be the diff between a wipe or downing the bosses in some cases. Yes, druids benefit more from mdmg, which Vahtos gives, but Id trade off crits over a little bit of healing anyways. Instead of base healing 40-50k, Id rather have 90-120k crits.

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Saturday, January 28th 2012, 11:39pm

Healing is all about having high Wisdom.. High MA,Healing Food and your buffs. Druids, im not very familiar with due to i havent played my D/S on Grimdal in a very long time.
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Sunday, January 29th 2012, 7:56am

Quoted from "Yaksha;505919"

Healing is all about having high Wisdom.. High MA,Healing Food and your buffs. Druids, im not very familiar with due to i havent played my D/S on Grimdal in a very long time.


No. MA has *no* effect on healing whatsoever. Not on priest, and not on druid. Whoever told you that is sadly mistaken.

Benefit from wisdom in terms of healing is capped at ~8k on burst heals for both druids and priests. Regens always benefit from it.

Healing benefits from mdmg, wisdom (until the 8k range), heal point bonus, and level of healing skill.

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