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Quoted from "turboreaper666;478603"

A couple Priest Combinations should get an AOE, but I would limit it to either an elite skill, or base it off the secondary class skills. The combinations that should receive it would be P/K and P/R.

I'm sorry, why in the world should a p/k receive a dps-aoe?? Frankly, p/k is so powerful as it is, and it doesn't surprise me you would be asking for more. I'll admit p/r needs something, as its dots fail, but logically we should ask for an improvement on dots overall, not a further attempt to make a priest all powerful.

Your p/k can heal, EA to tank, *actually* stacked int to single-target dps, why not, let's add aoes too!

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Is that your constructive contribution to this forum thread, or should we all wait for a follow up?

I don't believe anyone was trying to suggest Priest should get a mind numbing AOE to get invited to instance runs to nuke all the mobs. The concern is for farming, non elite mobs and such.

Surprised at how you can fit the L2P argument into this thread though considering it's based on solo questing and farming. I would suspect you are a priest out of necessity of a Guild, and not a priest that plays a priest because you find the class exciting.

I have to agree with him on one point: there is no need for that in a run. However, that is completely irrelevant to the thread. Keep on track or please don't reply to something. This is, again, why I believe that it should be a set skill availible to every p/whatever class. P/S do not define the entire priest/x class!!!! There are some ISS that are way more important to most priests then an ISS aoe, so they'll use those instead. Those who do not use or want it have that choice.

Quoted from "turboreaper666;478664"

I don't believe anyone was trying to suggest Priest should get a mind numbing AOE to get invited to instance runs to nuke all the mobs. The concern is for farming, non elite mobs and such.

You seem to be missing the point that anything you're asking for - just the sake of daily farming - will only make the priests who do stack int more powerful. Oh no, farming dailies would take too long if I solo killed each mob!

You know, all those disregarded stats like wis/matk, wis/int, or even encroaching on more int stats, and the fact that priests second highest growth stat is int, maybe, just maybe they were intended to stack some of it to do some damage to kill their dailies.

IF priests want to do damage, stack the stat that does damage. Why is anyone surprised they do no damage when all they do is stack stam and wis?!?! Why?!?! It'd be like a warrior statting all dex and wondering why he does no damage.

Quoted from "tsundae;478680"

You seem to be missing the point that anything you're asking for - just the sake of daily farming - will only make the priests who do stack int more powerful. Oh no, farming dailies would take too long if I solo killed each mob!

You know, all those disregarded stats like wis/matk, wis/int, or even encroaching on more int stats, and the fact that priests second highest growth stat is int, maybe, just maybe they were intended to stack some of it to do some damage to kill their dailies.

IF priests want to do damage, stack the stat that does damage. Why is anyone surprised they do no damage when all they do is stack stam and wis?!?! Why?!?! It'd be like a warrior statting all dex and wondering why he does no damage.

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Quoted from "Fearunal;478623"

perhaps priests should wear plate and use bladed weaps? anything else u want ? a pony?

seriously this game does a piss poor job with class distinction as it is and you would like to blur the line more? dont wanna heal? pick another class. wanna dps priest, roll p/s. if you want an aoe, roll a mage or a rogue or a scout or a..pffft u get where im going.....

if priests get an aoe rom might as well remove classes altogether and call everyone a rogue.

btw i play a priest, if you are failing at pve its bcz u are awful, not bcz u dont have an aoe. and no one needs an aoe priest on a run. they hardly need mages

Heals don't speed up farming, however impressive they may be. DPS does. Eventually everyone outgrows the need for heals. No one ever outgrows the need for dps. To limit Priest to healing does not help class distinction, it merely limits the usefulness of the class. I do think some are focusing too much on the Priest skills, and not enough on game mechanics, but your suggestion to reroll misses the point entirely.

Edit: Aaaand, everyone else said the same thing while I was doing my dailies.

Quoted from "turboreaper666;478664"

Is that your constructive contribution to this forum thread, or should we all wait for a follow up?

I don't believe anyone was trying to suggest Priest should get a mind numbing AOE to get invited to instance runs to nuke all the mobs. The concern is for farming, non elite mobs and such.

Surprised at how you can fit the L2P argument into this thread though considering it's based on solo questing and farming. I would suspect you are a priest out of necessity of a Guild, and not a priest that plays a priest because you find the class exciting.

just bcz i dont agree with your QQ that priests should get an AOE does not mean im not being constructive. i stated they should not and gave my reasons. that is a constructive addition to the topic.
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so umm, thanks for coming out ! <-example of non-constructive addition

priests have a spammable dot, chain of light is awesome and rising tide is 2 sec nuke. these are great tools for pve. i wont go into secondary elites, just vanilla priest skills are fine. ill admit priests have some spectacular fail skills too, ice fog anyone? but all classes have stuff no one puts tp into. at least ice fog is a freebie fail.

moderately geared priests should have no problem progressing thru quests and grinding dailies. b4 the new zone i was grinding sigg lurker area for dailies all the time and experienced no issues. this was when grimdal was still a pvp server so i was in mostly costume gear.

in the new zones in full sets, lol, there are no excuses, i burn thru stuff on priest just as quick as on my wd/w (has insta cast aoe btw). u may be asking..how? bcz mobs are too spread apart to make good use of an aoe anyway so EVERY class is using a single target attack. training mobs hasnt been really effective since skels in weeping so you are not missing anything.

so all that text above means is play your class. if you dont like it, play another.

You still miss the point. Learn to play isn't the point. Reroll isn't the point. Oh, but you're right, Fearunal, all is well with RoM. I'm a Priest happily eating grilled unicorn steaks.....

There is no need for a Priest Dps Aoe. Dots need a push. (That will push the P/R a little bit)
P/K has its heal/survivable abilitys so there is no need to add anything like a Dps Aoe.

Btw., I like Icefog. It can be very useful. Mostly in Pvp (when they fix that onehitsystem) I nearly use the most of my Skills (P/M). Some things need to be fixed, but its not that bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qcun_KCcuo&feature=related
O.k. not as fast as a Rogue , but Priest is not that bad and I will still work on doing some funtrys.

Greetings from Germany

Quoted from "sabrione;478677"

I have to agree with him on one point: there is no need for that in a run. However, that is completely irrelevant to the thread. Keep on track or please don't reply to something. This is, again, why I believe that it should be a set skill availible to every p/whatever class. P/S do not define the entire priest/x class!!!! There are some ISS that are way more important to most priests then an ISS aoe, so they'll use those instead. Those who do not use or want it have that choice.

so u dont want ice blade nerfed AND you want priests to have an aoe. damn why not make priests get a 60min holy aura, and a skill that can 1 shot every boss while you are at it?

rogues dont have an aoe, and they are a dps class. phantom stab is a poor excuse of an aoe, 60sec cd and only does 200% dps.

Quoted from "Twistedfatex;479765"

so u dont want ice blade nerfed AND you want priests to have an aoe. damn why not make priests get a 60min holy aura, and a skill that can 1 shot every boss while you are at it?

rogues dont have an aoe, and they are a dps class. phantom stab is a poor excuse of an aoe, 60sec cd and only does 200% dps.

I love how people can complain about "shortcomings" of the FOTM class, even on another class forum. You're trolling. Badly.

A "poor excuse of an aoe" is still better than NO AoE. In soloing, Rogues have a huge advantage, even without a powerful AoE, as they can generally just avoid everything they don't want to fight. Additionally, Rogues are arguably at the very top of all ST dps, while Priests, even P/S, are no where close to the top, and to maximize their mediocre DPS, they have to almost ignore healing, and wear Mage gear sets.

I personally love the flexibility that Priests have, and I do not mind if everything remains exactly as it is. I do agree with PhysiX, if DoT scaling were fixed, it would help all Priests a lot, and would address the lack of AoE without an actual AoE.

Quoted from "BJHawk;479927"

Additionally, Rogues are arguably at the very top of all ST dps, while Priests, even P/S, are no where close to the top, and to maximize their mediocre DPS, they have to almost ignore healing, and wear Mage gear sets.

I always thought that because Priests were, ya know, HEALERS, that their damage would suck.

Also, Rogues have almost always been Op, so comparing a Priests damage to a rogues is just stupid. Compare a Priests damage to a Druids damage, gear them both the same and see who has a higher damage potential.

That is how you find out how weak/strong your class is, by pitting it against similar classes, not classes of a totally different flavor.

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Compare a Priests damage to a Druids damage, gear them both the same and see who has a higher damage potential.

You know, I thought it was said earlier that a druid would more than likely win that fight, because even though they're healers.. they have a high damage potential. So.. if you're qq'ing about priests being healers, why don't you complain about the druids too? This is the problem that's being faced in the "Ice blade.. Nerf it" thread. And this is why everyone's arguements seem to be invalid to me: because they don't seem to take into account that priests aren't the only healers, yet we're the only ones being bashed.

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;479931"

I always thought that because Priests were, ya know, HEALERS, that their damage would suck.

Also, Rogues have almost always been Op, so comparing a Priests damage to a rogues is just stupid. Compare a Priests damage to a Druids damage, gear them both the same and see who has a higher damage potential.

That is how you find out how weak/strong your class is, by pitting it against similar classes, not classes of a totally different flavor.

In the first place, I wasn't the one who first made the comparison, I was addressing someone else. In the second place, EVERYONE has to do damage, whatever their party role may be. In a party, roles are split up, but the rest of the time, which is the majority of play time for most players, we all need to deal damage.

My hope is that devs will listen to level-headed, sensible posts from people who actually play Priest, and not the insults and Priest-bashing of people who know nothing about the class.

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My hope is that devs will listen to level-headed, sensible posts from people who actually play Priest, and not the insults and Priest-bashing of people who know nothing about the class.

As they should for people who have actually played every class. I have not played mage or druid (or any other class) long enough and well enough to complain or compliment them. I can only go off of what I've seen. However, I have played the same class for well over three years. I'm not saying I should solely be listened to, but that's why earlier I said put it in an ISS, put a thread about it up solely for the people who have played priest, and get feedback.

Quoted from "sabrione;479946"

You know, I thought it was said earlier that a druid would more than likely win that fight, because even though they're healers.. they have a high damage potential. So.. if you're qq'ing about priests being healers, why don't you complain about the druids too? This is the problem that's being faced in the "Ice blade.. Nerf it" thread. And this is why everyone's arguements seem to be invalid to me: because they don't seem to take into account that priests aren't the only healers, yet we're the only ones being bashed.

I'm just saying that because the comparison of Priest damage V Rogue damage was made that it was a stupid comparison to make, not that you specifically made it.

Also i am just pointing out that if you gear a Priest and a Druid in the same way, its likely that the priest will come out on top, NOT because priests are OP or anything, but because druids get 0 love lol.

And druids arent being bashed for the following reasons;
We don't have as great a damage potential as people think. Yes, top geared druids can do pretty decent damage, but compare that with a lower geared priest and the priest has the potential to surpass the druid with ease, and don't get me started on the Mage's damage potential

I get that the druids were probably made to be a happy medium between Mage and Priest, but they are lacking in both departments to the point that they are hardly viable characters.

Unfortunately when the druid patch comes out, they will be the new FOTW character.

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;480109"

Also i am just pointing out that if you gear a Priest and a Druid in the same way, its likely that the priest will come out on top, NOT because priests are OP or anything, but because druids get 0 love lol.

I challenge that claim. With the possible exception of Priest/Scout, any Druid combination will out-dps a Priest in the same gear. Why? The skills. Bone Chill and Briar Entwinement are really exactly the same skill, and Rising Tide and Earth Arrow are exactly the same. So in the above statement, you are essentially claiming that Chain of Light is greater than Earth Pulse, Rockslide, Mother Nature's Wrath, and Sandstorm. Maybe if you played a Priest, and used Chain of Light, you'd change your mind. Druid also has Binding Silence, while Priests have no interrupt, though I'm not sure whether P/M's Freeze acts as an interrupt, since I've not played that Priest combo much. Additionally, Druids have Unity with Mother Earth, a dps-boosting skill to which Priests have no counterpart.

There may be a legitimate discussion about which class is a better healer, as I've seen both running endgame content without particular preference given to either. When it comes to damage out-put, however, Druids' natural skills place them clearly on top. I've not played Druid even close to endgame yet, but starting from Earth Pulse at level 12, I could tell the difference between a Priest and Druid's damage output, and my experience certainly has not changed with more levels and skills.

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;480109"

Unfortunately when the druid patch comes out, they will be the new FOTW character.

This makes even less sense than your previous claim. The Druid patch came out at the release of Chapter 4. Perhaps I will simply excuse you, as evidently, you haven't even played or read forums for 4 1/2 months.

Quoted from "BJHawk;480029"

My hope is that devs will listen to level-headed, sensible posts from people who actually play Priest, and not the insults and Priest-bashing of people who know nothing about the class.

and the devs should listen to the, i wanna 1shot and solo everything on my class people?
What do you want %Mdmg skills to? lemee guess that aoe should have no cd or gcd so its spammable aswell?


O and im just the fotm class? try again, i have been rogue since ch1. both r/s and r/k. And rogue was hardly touched in ch4 other then raising dagger mastery. Rogue was exactly the same in ch1,2,3.

Guess what, i also have a 67p/66m/56k. and i guarantee i know more then you about this game....

cant kill things fast enough as a healing class? get a party... if you dont want to party with people wtf are you playing an MMOrpg...


In FFXI healers didnt really have any attacks at all, and they did just fine. (i also have healed in that game aswell). It was/is still probably the best and most balanced mmorpg to date... But you could never play that game, it actually takes skill, something lacked by 95% of the players in this game.... its one of the only games that gets negative reviews for "too hard"

lol calm down there buddy you are wrong on two things...FFXI sucked (yes i played it would argue GW takes more skill especially at healing) and you thinking this game takes skill

R/S and R/K both are/where FoTM classes so that didnt really help your cause any. Also players should be able to not have to party unless for instances/world boss quests since you have easily pointed out that people can be.....well....not nice. Im not exactly the type that wants to wait on someone to kill my stuff for me and then sit there and watch as i do nothing. Soundes to me that you just want us to heal and frankly that is stupid. Seems like you want us to have no dps at all and that once again is stupid. For this to happen you need to take away our skills or take away mage stats which is once again stupid

As for the AoE it doesnt matter to me, but what I think might help is idk making set skills different and useful. No more of the same skills just buffed up and if one of them is a shitty AoE so be if not oh well. But with your posts it seems to me that you want us to do nothing but heal and not be able to farm/minis/solo/pvp/level. If you say heal in pvp then you good sir deserve a slap to the face since you cant heal 1-shot.:p

Quoted from "Twistedfatex;480380"

and the devs should listen to the, i wanna 1shot and solo everything on my class people?
What do you want %Mdmg skills to? lemee guess that aoe should have no cd or gcd so its spammable aswell?

Your words. No Priest has said anything of that nature on this thread. I've said repeatedly that I like Priest exactly how it is. I do not believe a simple AoE ISS would break balance, and it would help immensely with trash, but I'd prefer they leave everything alone, rather than implement anything close to your ludicrous claims.

O and im just the fotm class? try again, i have been rogue since ch1. both r/s and r/k. And rogue was hardly touched in ch4 other then raising dagger mastery. Rogue was exactly the same in ch1,2,3.

Rogues are still at the top of the food chain, and however long you've played Rogue, you are arguing against a minor buff to a class that can't even compete with yours. Your heart for balance really comes through.

Guess what, i also have a 67p/66m/56k. and i guarantee i know more then you about this game....

Great story, bro.

cant kill things fast enough as a healing class? get a party... if you dont want to party with people wtf are you playing an MMOrpg...

In an ideal world, I'd agree with you, but if you've played the game at all recently, you know that the population is spread out, and rather low in most areas, and everyone is busy about their own things. I also find it satisfying to handle things on my own, and I enjoy helping others, not pleading for help.

In FFXI healers didnt really have any attacks at all, and they did just fine. (i also have healed in that game aswell). It was/is still probably the best and most balanced mmorpg to date... But you could never play that game, it actually takes skill, something lacked by 95% of the players in this game.... its one of the only games that gets negative reviews for "too hard"

Honestly, I don't care about FFXI. If I cared, I'd play it. Your blatant contempt of the vast majority of RoM players hardly gains you a hearing. I'm not easily impressed, but your trolling has actually gotten worse. No more food for you.

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and the devs should listen to the, i wanna 1shot and solo everything on my class people?
What do you want %Mdmg skills to? lemee guess that aoe should have no cd or gcd so its spammable aswell?

We did not ask to one shot anyone. We didn't ask to be the new OP class. We simply asked for an aoe, set skill or otherwise. We also did not ask to not have a cd or gcd. All we asked for was an aoe. It can have a 10 second cd, or it can share a gcd with another one of our set skills. The skill doesn't even have to be OMGWTFBBQ OP. It just has to be an aoe. Change it later if need be.