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Tuesday, November 8th 2011, 7:31pm

Scout Rogue dps rotation

Hello fellow Scouts,

Lately I have been messing a bit with my scout/rogue. I am looking for the best dps rotation (now with CH4 changes) for boss fights. One that takes the most advantage of the buffs and debuffs offered by this class combo.

Research from old posts and the DIYCE thread provides mixed results (as expected).

I was hoping for some advanced, end game scout/rogues input on a strong rotation.

As it stands now, here is what I am using and honestly I am not having good results.

Sapping
AutoShot
Weak Spot
Piercing Arrow
Combo Shot
Vampire Arrows
Deadly Poison Bite
Reflected Shot
Shot.

This rotation sort of mixed in the buffs/debuffs throughout the rotation but honestly, it seems that I can burn bosses down faster with my s/k, which should not be. (I almost always use DoD first boss as a test bed).

Any opinions and info would be greatly appreciated.

Allenmo
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Wednesday, November 9th 2011, 1:32am

Exploiting Shot
Scout Primary Only
When your Shot makes a critical hit, you increase your targets received Physical Damage by 2...18.8%*. Lasts 12 seconds.

so maybe you should place shot a bit higher in your rotation to receive this bonus early

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Wednesday, November 9th 2011, 7:45am

My rotation is very similar to what you have (when i'm in a party/raid)

For me It's:
Sapping
Autoshot
Weak Spot
Combo Shot
Shot (in the middle of combo shot)
Piercing Arrow
Vampire Arrow
Shot
Deadly Poison Bite
Shot
Reflected Shot
...from this point on I maintain crit bonus through weak spot & piercing arrows and cycling shot & combo shot in between each use while using Vamp arrow & poison bite when my those skills are on cooldown.

I generally will use shot in between every other skill after i go through the initial rotation. I rarely need to reapply Sapping after the initial use, i just use it in place of a "shot".

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Thursday, November 10th 2011, 12:24am

Thanks for the replies.

Have some questions though.

First, Shot sort of scares me by using it too much in CH4 due to the fact that the pdam increase is only based on a "crit" shot but if you are critting enough, it would certainly seem worth it to use it in the rotation. the %dps is terrible since the nerf, but the increase in pdam is awesome.

Secondly I think that as you approach 60+% crit (with gear) is weak spot really worth it versus using a higher damage skill?

Lastly, with the changes to vamp arrow and the fact that deadly poison bite unleashes major dps when vamp is active, shouldnt those skills take priority over all others?

I know there are a lot of scout rogues that can provide some feedback here in the forum world so please let me know what your thoughts are on a rotation and the questions above.

Thanks a bunch

Allenmo
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Friday, November 11th 2011, 2:53am

Imo you should start like this:

-Reflected shot and auto shot (you can activate at the same time and don't trigger GCD)
-Sapping Arrow
-Combo shot
-Vampire Arrow
-Deadly poison Bite
-Piercing Shot
-Weak spot
-Shot

Then whatever is off cd.
The reason for this is so you can get ur best damage skills off with all the buffs still on. Also this causes less cool down problems later on in the rotation I find.

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Friday, November 11th 2011, 1:10pm

I always start a boss fight with snipe it does the most damage. Then early in the rotation use wind for its slowing.

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Friday, November 11th 2011, 2:48pm

auto shot
shot
combo
wind arrow
piercing
reflective
sapping
weak spot
vamp
poison arrow

This is set up on you 123456789 keys.

basicly you hit 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 then back to 2 5 3 6 5 2 3 then cycle out your cooldown attacks with your mouse cursor while still triggering 235. this will attain you more dps from overlapping your constant attacks and re-activating your CD attacks with two inputs. Notice i skip the wind arrows in cycle. Imo it uses WAY to much focus and is only needed to one shot world trash and lowbies in PVP. Its what ive found to grant me the most dps.

Of course you know that Dps is consistant with your bow/xbow for the most part.

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Thursday, November 24th 2011, 4:15pm

I have come to find that DPB is kind of still rubbish, the only time it really shines is when there is 3 vamps on the target which means DPB will hit 3 times and will hit at the higher %. But being the 1 sec cast (same as combo shot) that CS will still pull out more damage in that 1 sec whether any of the 3 hits crit or not. Compared to using DPB when there is only 1 active vamp on target.

If you are using DIYCE, use DPB manually when u see target has 2 or more vamp debuffs. Otherwise I feel you are losing too much DPS.

But for me at the moment, on DIYCE

WS
PA
CS
RS
Shot
Vamp
DPB (manual, not in diyce; only cast when as I mentioned)
And obviously autoshot/sapping is activated as soon as fight begins, sapping before anything else to help the whole parties burn as rogues will begin dps much sooner than scouts.

And with exploiting shot, to try so hard for that crit during a full burn is just pure luck so don't rely it on. It may or may not happen at all during a quick boss fight so don't rely on it by using shot too much, shots damage sucks even compared to vamp (lol fail)
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Friday, November 25th 2011, 7:22pm

is deadly poison bite affected by the number of vamp arrows on the target or is it only boosted if there is at least 1 vamp arrows on the target?

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Monday, November 28th 2011, 9:49pm

Quoted from "Reaperx10;482252"

Imo you should start like this:

-Reflected shot and auto shot (you can activate at the same time and don't trigger GCD)
-Sapping Arrow
-Combo shot
-Vampire Arrow
-Deadly poison Bite
-Piercing Shot
-Weak spot
-Shot

Then whatever is off cd.
The reason for this is so you can get ur best damage skills off with all the buffs still on. Also this causes less cool down problems later on in the rotation I find.


This build works well since the implementation of the GCD, screwed up my old rotation

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Monday, November 28th 2011, 11:32pm

Quoted from "kobe4mvp;486356"

is deadly poison bite affected by the number of vamp arrows on the target or is it only boosted if there is at least 1 vamp arrows on the target?


For each vamp arrow, it hits once. So for 1 debuff, it will hit twice, for 2 debuffs, it will hit thrice etc.

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Thursday, December 8th 2011, 6:37pm

Again incorrect someone has already mentioned this. Please don't post information if you don't play the class or actually know what is going on, it confuses people.

DPB no vamp - still one of your hardest hitting skill (but for a 1 sec cast CS will still net you more damage in that one second, or even any other skills)

DPB 1x vamp debuff - hits much harder than w/o debuff, becomes your hardest hitter (except snipe)

DPB 2x vamp debuff - will hit target twice at the extra damage.

3x - hits target 3 times, and so on..

6 vamps - obviously, hits 6 times.
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Thursday, December 8th 2011, 8:10pm

I believe Suzu is correct. If you read the description of DPB it explains that it hits twice if there's one vampire arrow affect. Therefore, if there were two it would hit 3 times, etc.

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Monday, December 12th 2011, 6:38pm

I do not care what some newbie says on the forums or what the tooltip says; tooltips have been incorrect since beta.

Do you play scout/rogue?

My main is S/R 70/67 I think I know what my class does. I have done testing with DPB and my previous post is exactly how it works.

So I believe you are both wrong, thanks :)
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