Runes of Magic US / AU

Thanks for putting this out there. Probably just about every person with a warden alt or main has wondered about this.

I'd always wondered why sometimes you'd get higher hits seemingly at random and hadn't pieced together that there was a "back stab" effect. This also really drives home the point of how much Chiron purely out classes Oak Walker.

Just wondering what addon u use to make the dura show up on your gear :x

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Need to check formula again today, on german forum someone's chiron had higher damage values than calculated.

My guess is that the ranged weapon damage is added to his damage also, since I had no xbow equipped during tests.

I'm pretty sure ranged weapon damage factors into Chiron's attack. I'm about 85% sure that mainhand weapon does NOT factor in.

When you're checking for ranged weapon damage, try and test the effect of ammo as well. I'm curious if the ammo you have equipped gets added to Chiron's attack. Might be too small to test though...

Also, and I feel like a noob saying this, but when you write 0,1 or 0,2 or 0,5, what exactly does that mean?

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Also, and I feel like a noob saying this, but when you write 0,1 or 0,2 or 0,5, what exactly does that mean?

The comma is used as decimal marker in many european countries. In Germany we would write 1 million like 1.000.000,00 in USA it would be 1,000,000.00

Quite weird when I faced it the first time. English-speaking countries behave strange even with other units like foot, gallon, mile, milliard/billion etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark

Mainhand weapon definitely has an effect. Blood Arrow never changed Chiron's damage for me when I tested with/without the buff running on summon, so I assumed ranged weapon damage does not factor in.

I'm not entirely sure, but I don't believe that PAtk is necessarily at a 1:1 ratio with the summoner. By that, I mean the PAtk that cuts through the targets defense, not the PAtk that contributes to maximum damage. Varying PAtk does not seem to always allow the same percentage of damage through on the same target for both pet and warden in my experience. For me, Oak Walker's damage does a lower percentage of max damage than the warden at the same PAtk (in PVE tests). This doesn't disagree with andreasals info, it's just a different situation.

I had a chance to test this on a new Wd/S character that I was leveling. I waited to get the elite skills one by one after the toon was 50+. The thing I noticed is that Chiron's damage is not correct as far as Secret Agreement is concerned. I tested by using a white weapon to vary PDmg without affecting PAtk and food to vary PAtk without affecting PDmg. The nearest I could get an equation to was:

EDIT: My guess at skill damage scaling was comparing level 0 Valiant Shot versus a leveled Centaur's Arrow. It's still a pretty big question mark though because the randomization is about as big as the skill damage even with crap gear.

ADF*(A*PDmg+B*PAtk+SkillDamage)*[(1+Secret Agreement%)^2]*Casttime

Where A is about 0.4 and B seems to be somewhere between 0.72-0.75.

It's not very pretty, but Chiron doesn't scale according to andreasal's equation before getting Secret Agreement, and Secret Agreement doesn't boost Chiron's damage by ~40%. It nearly doubles it (1.4*1.4 = 1.96, so ~96% increase in damage). In fact, I think the skill might be bugged.

Note that this is *very* close to andreasals results with secret agreement. Less than a 1% difference in predicted numbers. It *does* give slightly less reliance on PDmg in skill hits and slightly more reliance on PAtk in general, but by a very tiny percent.

The other note that I'd add is I think that the numbers I'm giving for A and B might be very slightly too high. Instead, I think that it's possible there is some amount of static damage added on top of Chiron's hits (perhaps it varies with Chiron's level). This is basically trivial with andreasal's gear, but I see some discrepancies when you try to apply the equations to a less-geared toon. The added damage might be along the lines of several thousand on a max level toon.

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It's not very pretty, but Chiron doesn't scale according to andreasal's equation before getting Secret Agreement, and Secret Agreement doesn't boost Chiron's damage by ~40%. It nearly doubles it (1.4*1.4 = 1.96, so ~96% increase in damage). In fact, I think the skill might be bugged.

Maybe not as much bugged as it is intentional. It would explain why Chiron is hitting like a truck since the 'warden fix'. It may just means that the tooltip is outdated.

Quoted from "Danjuro;485707"

Maybe not as much bugged as it is intentional. It would explain why Chiron is hitting like a truck since the 'warden fix'. It may just means that the tooltip is outdated.

I would go for intentional if the amount of the buff were simply larger than 40%. That would imply that they had to increase the amount of the buff. That means someone would have had to change the multiplier in the code somewhere.

The fact that it is the exact same passive increase only it is applied twice says bug to me. There are very few reasons why a programmer would do that. It means an extra multiplication for no particular reason. It's also extremely counter intuitive.

It's possible it's intentional and it was just the easiest way to change it for some reason. It just seems unlikely to me is all.