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Do Druid DOT/HOT's not count first tick?

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AngelIsrafel

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Friday, November 11th 2011, 9:56pm

Do Druid DOT/HOT's not count first tick?

I was derpin' around varanas the other day and i was using Briar Entwinement on every little creature i saw. Rats, Bunnies, mice, what have you, and i would see a number (in the 4 diget range) pop up, but no damage was dealt to the creature. So i was wondering, do the ticks for Healing and damage only apply after the initial hit which apparently does nothing? It would be nice to do immediate damage with my only spell that doesn't have a cooldown that i actually use XD

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Friday, November 11th 2011, 10:12pm

All DoT/HoT skills are like that unless they have an initial hit tacked on. Sure, you'll see some value pop up on the initial cast, but it's not actually doing anything.

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Friday, November 11th 2011, 11:35pm

Its been broken like that for a long, long time now. Just like every other broken thing, do not plan on this ever being fixed. This is the reason I no longer play my druid. IMHO 4 seconds of NOTHING AT ALL is just way too much.

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Saturday, November 12th 2011, 12:45am

Here I thought that was one of the things they fixed in chapter 4, but that would explain why people who I thought were healing with HoT's didn't get healed nearly as fast as I thought they were.
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Saturday, November 12th 2011, 3:22pm

Quoted from "Danjuro;482654"

Here I thought that was one of the things they fixed in chapter 4, but that would explain why people who I thought were healing with HoT's didn't get healed nearly as fast as I thought they were.


Swag definitely made a post stating it was fixed, ill link it later when not browsing on my phone. Yet another untruth comes to light. Shocking.

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Tuesday, November 15th 2011, 7:32am

i remember always wondering why the first hot/dot never ticked...man i remember the post saying it was fixed. i remember for like.. a week or two after, it actually DID seem to be fixed in most places... but somewhere it musta gotten over-patched or something cuz the only time i ever see a first tick work is a cam-flower or bloss-life on myself.. the first tick of the elite recover seems to work too. but on mobs and other players.. never...
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Tuesday, November 15th 2011, 10:11am

Well, I suppose it's for reasoning of not allowing a DoT to be spammed repeatedly. You'd not only have the DoT damage playing out, but you'd be spamming the initial damage with no cooldown.

But still, the damage of DoTs in this game isn't significant enough to spam. I could see if it was something like M/R's cursed fangs with the initial DD and then a DoT, but normal DoTs don't play out that way.

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Friday, December 30th 2011, 7:05am

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You'd not only have the DoT damage playing out


Actually, because there is 0 cast time and only the 1 second GCD it would never countdown the DOT damage, because the timer would be refreshed every other second.

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Saturday, December 31st 2011, 1:43am

It's not just druid dots/hots that miss the first tick, it's priest too. I'll bet it's also scout dots, rogue dots, warrior dots, and mage dots too, though I haven't tested these myself. As ghostwolf mentioned, it was claimed to have been fixed (there was much rejoycing at the time), and then people discovered it wasn't fixed (booooooo).
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Saturday, December 31st 2011, 4:02am

Nearly every DOT and HOT that I have tested gave an initial real tick. However, the first tick was invisible. By that, I mean it didn't show up in either the combat log or on the screen, but it still healed or did damage.

Every rogue bleed I tested also had a similar result. However, it isn't universally the case. At least one HOT that I tested gave the number of heals that it displayed.

I had written a bug report about it a while back. This is part of the report:

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I wanted to make a thread since many people have noticed they lost the first tick on these types of skills again.

The piece of info that I can add is that per some minimal testing on a couple combos, these skills don't appear to be as broken as that. I was playing around with a R/M since I wanted to see if Poison Trap had been changed since it was fixed. It took 3 ticks to kill the mob I used it on, except that only 2 ticks showed up on screen and in the combat log. In other words, the first tick is there, it's just invisible. R/M also has another DOT Poison Flame, same result. Then I flipped over to R/P and changed some gear around so I had some "damage" and tested Regeneration. Same result. 10 ticks of healing to my HP but only 9 showed up on screen and in the combat log. I checked another couple class skills too.


I've tested quite a few other skills since then. As far as I have been able to see, very few are actually missing the first tick.