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Monday, November 21st 2011, 6:38am

question on shared bleed cooldowns

I am a r/w and would like to know if any of the skills for r/w that have a bleed effect share cooldowns. So Shadowstab, slash, sneak attack, and blind spot. Do the bleeds stack?
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Monday, November 21st 2011, 1:26pm

Yeah shadowstab does stack with others, I'm not sure about the others, but you can indeed spam low blow/wound attack if another rogues shadowstab is on the target.

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Monday, November 21st 2011, 1:41pm

As far as I am aware, the Rogue bleeds are all the same (i.e. Shadowstab, Sneak Attack and Blind Spot) though are of different duration. As to which overwrites which, I am not sure. But they count for activation for extra hits with Low Blow and Wound Attack.

Slash is a Warrior bleed and it does stack with the Rogue bleeds, but only contributes to Tactical Attack making extra hits for Warrior primary.

So a R/W will have two bleeds, 1 Rogue (from Shadowstab, Sneak Attack or Blind Spot) and 1 Warrior (from Slash), and these will also stack with any other bleeds from other Rogues or Warriors.

Does that answer your question?

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Wednesday, November 23rd 2011, 5:02pm

yes it does. i know rouges are supposedly op now but it would be cool to have those 3 rouge bleeds stack. I cant wait till lvl 35 for poisonous infection.
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Thursday, December 1st 2011, 3:52am

Quoted from "KatalanOrk;484838"


So a R/W will have two bleeds, 1 Rogue (from Shadowstab, Sneak Attack or Blind Spot) and 1 Warrior (from Slash), and these will also stack with any other bleeds from other Rogues or Warriors.
Does that answer your question?


Pretty sure this isn't correct. Wound Attack will not hit additional times for additional bleeds affecting the target.

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Thursday, December 1st 2011, 10:17am

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Pretty sure this isn't correct. Wound Attack will not hit additional times for additional bleeds affecting the target.


Wound Attack will generally hit three times. Once for the original Attack, once for a Rogue Bleed, and once for a Grievous Wound inflicted by Low Blow when there is a Rogue bleed on the target.

so ShadowStab (gives DoT bleed effect) -> Low Blow (Inflicts Grievous Wound) -> Wound Attack (hits three times)

This is the standard Rogue combo.

Please feel free to correct any mistake I have made in my explanation. You can also check the database links that I have provided for further information.

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Thursday, December 1st 2011, 5:07pm

Quoted from "KatalanOrk;489452"

Wound Attack will generally hit three times. Once for the original Attack, once for a Rogue Bleed, and once for a Grievous Wound inflicted by Low Blow when there is a Rogue bleed on the target.

so ShadowStab (gives DoT bleed effect) -> Low Blow (Inflicts Grievous Wound) -> Wound Attack (hits three times)

This is the standard Rogue combo.

Please feel free to correct any mistake I have made in my explanation. You can also check the database links that I have provided for further information.



throwing a Blind spot in there is helpful as a 4th bleed long as your behind the target its no problem

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Thursday, December 1st 2011, 5:54pm

True, I only meant that the Rogue bleed effect that comes from Shadowstab, Blind Spot and Sneak Attack are interchangeable. They do not stack and last for different durations.

Shadowstab is the first one you get and the first one you use so that is why I included it as standard.

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Thursday, December 1st 2011, 6:55pm

Actually, throwing a Blind Spot in will *hurt* you if you are playing a R/W. First, the bleed doesn't stack. It won't give you a 4th bleed. Second, Blind Spot does *not* give a Wound Attack hit for R/W. Due to a bug, only 3 combos get a Wound Attack hit from the Blind Spot bleed. If you hit your target with Blind Spot, you will over write your Shadowstab bleed and end up losing one hit off Wound Attack.

A R/W can stack up to 4 DOTs: 1 rogue bleed (SS, BS, *or* SA), 1 warrior bleed (Slash), 1 Grievous Wound (LB), and 1 poison from Poisonous Infection.

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Thursday, December 1st 2011, 7:15pm

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throwing a Blind spot in there is helpful as a 4th bleed long as your behind the target its no problem


Just to clear some stuff up for people who don't know much about bleeds.

Bleeds that contribute to Grievous Wound:
Bleed (from Shadowstab)
Bleed (from Blind Spot)
Bleed (from Sneak Attack)

You can only have one of those bleeds active at any time on a target. They are considered the same bleed.

However,

The only ones that contribute to Wound Attack are the following:
Bleed (from Shadowstab)
Bleed (from Sneak Attack)
Grievous Wound (from Low Blow)

The bleed from Warriors (Slash) stacks with everything else but not contribute to Wound Attack.

tl;dr

Wound Attack will only accept Sneak Attack & Shadowstab's bleed to active a 3rd hit.

As far as I can tell from the most recent patches in Chapter 4 broke the bleed of Blind Spot. So it will not work with Wound Attack.

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Thursday, December 1st 2011, 8:10pm

Mostly true.

Except if you have any elite that has anything to do with Blind Spot, the skill is changed. Therefore, Wound Attack still gives a proc off the bleed.

That is why I mentioned that there are 3 combos that can use the Blind Spot bleed to proc Wound Attack: R/K, R/P, and R/D.