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Tuesday, November 22nd 2011, 11:19pm

tier'd vs stat'd axe for d/w

I was wondering which would give better phy dps from the d/w elites a stated towards phy attack 1h axe or a tiered to t9 1h axe?

Assume the axe in question is the lvl 67 ud axe Lanaik's Strength +12

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Tuesday, November 22nd 2011, 11:47pm

TBH, i'm not sure how well the DPS part of the D/W combo works out, I'm using a T6 Staff of Symbols with about 5K wisdom and my skills only usually hit for like 500-1k damage. If you want to go Physical DPS, i think you'd have to restat your entire druid, because if you want to go pure DPS you're going to need way higher Def (Because Glory Wand can only do so much) You'd need to stack Str and Patk in place of Wisdom (Making your heals useless for anything that isn't 1v1 PVE non instance mobs)

This is the problem with the druid warrior, their physical DPS elites are crap with the way we have to stat and because Hammers aren't up to snuff we can't really use them as a happy medium. If hammers had a better Pdam and Mdam and gave a small boost to healing AND either Str (Which i think makes the most sense) or Patk. That way druids can use 1H Hammers with shields that have Healing bonuses and get decent Physical DPS to compliment their healing and Magical skills.

To test your theory what i'd do is get a regular T1 axe, tier it to like T4 then get a 2nd one, put some KS stats on it and see what kind of difference it makes. You might not want to use KS stats, but i wouldn't use anything higher than KS, just because i think it'd give you a false reading for improvement.

My money however is just like with Warriors, a Tiered axe will yield far more damage then a Stated one.

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Wednesday, November 23rd 2011, 1:10am

First of all, I'd like to point out that a d/w, no matter how statted, is not going to do any big numbers on any bosses. Despite its physical dps elites, it is a group oriented utility healing Druid. Also, tbh, I would have never rerolled my 3rd to warrior if it didn't have the Awakening of the Wild elite.

That being said...

Go with a T9 or T10 axe. The physical attack bonus from statting will not make up for this physical dmg lost from not tierring, also, your spells would benefit more from a tierred weapon than a statted weapon (unless of course, you tier-stat your weapon t9 or t10, but I can only think of 1 player I personally know that would do/has done that).

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Wednesday, November 23rd 2011, 3:46am

Trying to do d/w as physical dps is like doing a battlemonk without battlemonk stance. It's NOT going to work.

Tier up a good 2h staff or a wand + shield, Wand is generally faster attack speed to maybe generate some rage.

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Wednesday, November 23rd 2011, 6:47am

Quoted from "Rossbot;485399"

Trying to do d/w as physical dps is like doing a battlemonk without battlemonk stance. It's NOT going to work.

Tier up a good 2h staff or a wand + shield, Wand is generally faster attack speed to maybe generate some rage.


Uhhh, except D/W gets slash spam with the 45 elite (assuming you hit) and if you want the slash bleeds you have to go with an axe.

Tiering up a wand or staff seems like an awful suggestion, stick with the axe, and in terms of primary weapons Tiering > Stating most of the time.

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Wednesday, November 23rd 2011, 8:00am

Quoted from "Kefkai;485425"

Uhhh, except D/W gets slash spam with the 45 elite (assuming you hit) and if you want the slash bleeds you have to go with an axe.

Tiering up a wand or staff seems like an awful suggestion, stick with the axe, and in terms of primary weapons Tiering > Stating most of the time.


Actually, that elite for the Slash doesn't work quite as well as you'd think, especially if you're statting for healing because you won't get anywhere statting for Pdam in cloth.

If you're just doing it to experiment go for it, but please, for your sake, stat your Druid Warrior for healing and get a decent 2h staff.

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Wednesday, November 23rd 2011, 9:44am

Quoted from "Kefkai;485425"

Uhhh, except D/W gets slash spam with the 45 elite (assuming you hit) and if you want the slash bleeds you have to go with an axe.

Tiering up a wand or staff seems like an awful suggestion, stick with the axe, and in terms of primary weapons Tiering > Stating most of the time.


Slash Fury elite from TheRomWiki:

"Increases the range of your Slash attack, and upon hitting a target with Slash, it may increase healing and restore rage. Slash range increased to 90. Successful hit increases healing power by 30.0 (+8.4 per level of Slash) to 534.0 for 15 seconds. This effect has a 20 second cool down. Successful hit also restores 20 rage with no cool down. "

No this is NOT a viable dps skill, it is simply used to generate rage and up healing by a *tad*

Tierring a wand/staff is actually the right suggestion, d/w are simply not good dps. And in the case of statting v tierring primary weapon, the correct answer is tierring > statting weapons all of the time.

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Wednesday, November 23rd 2011, 2:44pm

Even if you do get that extra rage and healing power from slash landing a hit, you're still using a 1h axe which is absolutely worthless if you want to heal. I played a battlemonk, the difference in 2k mdamage for healing is like night and day. Also, using a 2h staff will get you the same effect in the end.

Long story made short: D/W is not a physical dps, but was made to be one of the better healers in the game and to be a great support/utility class.

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Thursday, November 24th 2011, 5:13pm

I felt the need to explain why i wanted to get the phy dps; I was thinking of soloing CAve of the water dragon but for that to work i would need to get both phy and mag dps to kill the water elementals when they split into 3 smaller ones. 1 of them is immune to magic attacks and the other 2 are immune to physical attacks or vise versa, therefore i was trying to get both dps up. I will ofc always be stated for healing with a few stats thrown in for mag/phy attk so the main source of attk power for me will be the weapon i use and hense my question. Thanks for the help :D

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Monday, December 5th 2011, 10:40pm

Quoted from "bilalab;485913"

I felt the need to explain why i wanted to get the phy dps; I was thinking of soloing CAve of the water dragon but for that to work i would need to get both phy and mag dps to kill the water elementals when they split into 3 smaller ones. 1 of them is immune to magic attacks and the other 2 are immune to physical attacks or vise versa, therefore i was trying to get both dps up. I will ofc always be stated for healing with a few stats thrown in for mag/phy attk so the main source of attk power for me will be the weapon i use and hense my question. Thanks for the help :D


Sometimes its just downright fun to play the underdog, isnt it? :P

But yeah, playing D/W as a physical damage dealer is no easy task. Mine is 66/55 at the moment, is only partway geared, and only critting for like 50k on level appropriate mobs.

FAR from tops, but a blast to play.

As far as statting VS tiering of the axe... i took the middle road. At this point I kind of regret it. From what I am seeing, tiered axe is going to be the way to go. If your worried about lacking the stats... just remember you do have the shield to stat.

BUT...!

My suggestion, for soloing water dragon is to have two sets of gear. Your cloth magical gear with the set bonuses and all, and your red-headed step child cloth physical gear that offers nothing more than semi-acceptable ghost stats. It'll be expensive, but if you want to do it with ease, two sets of gear would be the way to go... swapping accordingly.