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Thursday, December 29th 2011, 2:38pm

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I have a knight rogue, and wondering if i should use a dagger so i can get the bleed effect from shadowstab or stay with higher damage swords.

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Thursday, December 29th 2011, 8:21pm

Firstly, knight's can't use daggers. Secondly, no, you will not have enough PATK to make the bleed do any difference whatsoever to your DPS.

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Friday, December 30th 2011, 5:27am

I've never understood why Knights can't use a dagger:confused:
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Friday, December 30th 2011, 8:26pm

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I've never understood why Knights can't use a dagger:confused:


They'd generate too much DPS, which would completely unbalance the game and cause it to fall off the back of the Great Tortoise, into the World Ocean.

<grinning, running, and ducking for cover>

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Saturday, December 31st 2011, 1:53am

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They'd generate too much DPS, which would completely unbalance the game and cause it to fall off the back of the Great Tortoise, into the World Ocean.

<grinning, running, and ducking for cover>


I hope that was a sarcastic post. Because it's not going to happen with a knight using a dagger.
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Saturday, December 31st 2011, 3:12am

you would expect someone being sarcasticwho uses Pratchett/Discworld references ;)

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Saturday, December 31st 2011, 5:16am

We lack the DPS skills. Our hardest hitting skill doesn't even go past 200? or 250? With the new "buff". Don't worry. I'm GCHM and can't solo hos lol

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Saturday, December 31st 2011, 7:35pm

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I hope that was a sarcastic post. Because it's not going to happen with a knight using a dagger.


Soitenly! Are you unfamiliar with the number of complaint threads having to do with Knights having no DPS?

I will try to remember adding /sarcasm on and /sarcasm off tags in the future.


Quoted from "YomanROM;498005"

you would expect someone being sarcasticwho uses Pratchett/Discworld references ;)


The Great Tortoise/World Ocean theory was in play a couple thousand years before Terry Pratchett first crawled on the face of the earth.

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Sunday, January 1st 2012, 3:52am

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I hope that was a sarcastic post. Because it's not going to happen with a knight using a dagger.


Give Knights daggers, give Wardens shields and wands o.O

Lol.

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Monday, January 2nd 2012, 9:29pm

Yeah...sure....Give Wardens Shields and make knight a secondary class only. Add the Pdef of a shield to wardens and knights are done. Shields, Recons and Hatreds are all that is keeping knights in the game right now. Warden/W already got my plate armor, might as well finish knights off and give them a shield too.:p
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Wednesday, January 4th 2012, 2:36am

What Squirlee said

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Wednesday, January 4th 2012, 6:48am

Lol, I'd say the wardens have already finished us knights off. Without a shield they buff their P.Def higher than us and their aggro production puts us all to shame. :/
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Wednesday, January 4th 2012, 7:22pm

Yeah....I'm still living in denial and choose not to accept that Wardens have replced Knights.:o:p
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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 6:21am

Well at least there still aren't many Wardens around. o.o WTB Knight passive aggro increase skill >.>
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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 7:59am

WTB KNIGHT UNCAP FOR ALL OF OUR FLIPPIN SKILLS K.
ALSO, WTB x15 AGGRO MULTIPLIER ON ALL SKILLS
FURTHERMORE, WTB HIGHER STR - PATK RATIO

MOREOVER, MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN PLEASE HELP ME

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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 5:55pm

Quoted from "sharinganuser;499389"

WTB KNIGHT UNCAP FOR ALL OF OUR FLIPPIN SKILLS K.
ALSO, WTB x15 AGGRO MULTIPLIER ON ALL SKILLS
FURTHERMORE, WTB HIGHER STR - PATK RATIO

MOREOVER, MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN PLEASE HELP ME


Lol about the caps lock! Anyways... The only skill I believe should be uncapped is Enhanced Armor. The Warden's P.Def and HP buff is uncapped so it would only be fair for Knights to have the same. If they would bring back Holy Strike's Aggro from what it was before patch 4.0.5 that would be great. Reducing it from x5 to x2.5 was extremely stupid. x15 isn't really necessary. I would love to have a passive Knight primary skill that would increase Hate by 20% though. It would put us closer to the amount of aggro that Wdn/W generates.
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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 6:18pm

the old x5 multiplicator would be enough.

as for pdef, we all should remember that wardens cannot wear shields, and a Talisman is not a viable option because they only have more damage on 2H weapons.

Just take a Annelia right hand + Shield master + Enhanced Armor combined , thats a lot of pdef even without 6x139,2 Stamina on the item Warden buffs have to compensate for because they cannot wear a shield.

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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 7:41pm

Quoted from "YomanROM;499476"

the old x5 multiplicator would be enough.

as for pdef, we all should remember that wardens cannot wear shields, and a Talisman is not a viable option because they only have more damage on 2H weapons.

Just take a Annelia right hand + Shield master + Enhanced Armor combined , thats a lot of pdef even without 6x139,2 Stamina on the item Warden buffs have to compensate for because they cannot wear a shield.


Right. Dropping down to a 1H weapon would cut down a lot of aggro (due to lesser damage aggro) even though you would be more survivable. Still, with the type of gearing that's going on, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone pull off a 1h Axe + Talisman Wd/W combo that could still hold aggro and be even more survivable with the off hand stats.

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I fully support Knights getting a passive ability that would add +% Aggro generation to all damage skills. Having a knight in group (in my opinion) should guarantee lockdown in aggro and taunt for that knight. DPS guarantee DPS, healers guarantee heals, so tanks should be able to guarantee tanking.

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 8:18am

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Lol about the caps lock! Anyways... The only skill I believe should be uncapped is Enhanced Armor. The Warden's P.Def and HP buff is uncapped so it would only be fair for Knights to have the same. If they would bring back Holy Strike's Aggro from what it was before patch 4.0.5 that would be great. Reducing it from x5 to x2.5 was extremely stupid. x15 isn't really necessary. I would love to have a passive Knight primary skill that would increase Hate by 20% though. It would put us closer to the amount of aggro that Wdn/W generates.



Enhanced Armor uncapped would do one thing....Allow X/k more Pdef and help say R/k even more able to Leather tank. That's the issue with EA and why Knight is a well used secondary.
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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 7:11pm

Quoted from "squirrlee;500121"

Enhanced Armor uncapped would do one thing....Allow X/k more Pdef and help say R/k even more able to Leather tank. That's the issue with EA and why Knight is a well used secondary.


If a rogue or any other class with Knight secondary were to stat for PvE DPS it doesn't matter how much more %PDef they get, they wont be able to tank much. If they do sacrifice PAtt for some PDef then their DPS will be considerably lower. And sure they may be able to pop Evasion and probably take 1 hit when tanking a boss if they use Egg Rice, but they won't be able to tank the trash mobs. They have no AoE aggroing skills like K/x or Wdn/W. It isn't reliable. You can't tank a boss if you can't get through the trash.
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