Runes of Magic US / AU

10k dmg 50k mattk

magic damage is from your weapon and any stats/runes you have on your gear..same goes for magic attack except magic attack come from yellow and ghost stats and whatever runes you have on your gear.


But I agree with mekun..10k dam 50k attack

just from the numbers go for 10k damage. but that sounds like a new staff, were else would you get 2k damage from?
and 10k almost sounds like ToSH staff unless were talking buffed values with active cooldowns here.

10k is a lot of damage.What staff, and is it T11?

Wouldn't that depend on instances that you're planning to run?

The best way to handle this is to go search the magic damage formula (don't remember whether it was here or on EU server).
Then look for bosses' pdef from the thread on physical damage formula (mdef=pdef for bosses mostly).

The put in numbers in the formula and see at any given pair of values of matt and mdmg, whether it is better to increase matt or mdmg.

you said youre endgame. if this are not just random example numbers i would just say "go for 10k mdmg and MORE than 60k matk"

10k mdmg would be a t10 ToSH hm staff and some +mdmg from equipment.

generic answer: "best staff you can get as high as you can afford, then as much matk as you can get"

staff has priority because you cannot stat mdmg, only put in 1-2 Miracle runes and have some mdmg on a chest piece. so without buffs or cooldowns theres no other way to increase mdmg while you can stat as much matk on your items as you see fit.

just asked a mage from my guild: atm 10775 mdmg / 85606 matk as M/P (thats unbuffed with new staff t11 and almost tosh-complete equipment though)

for the staff the "afford" part is important, because a t11 staff is of no use if its so expensive for your ingame or real wallet that you cant afford to build other items for a longer period of time... so the answer is "it depends".

In the actual raids just test whether your damage output increases more with matk food or mdmg food, because the fullbuffed values are what matters in the end. you wont reach a point where you would have to choose between matk and mdmg unbuffed ...

No no, ignore matk and mdam. Instead, stack tons of dex. It will allow you to dodge ToSHH bosses 70% of the time and double the damage of other mages, all while using a mento staff. Yoman knows what I'm talking about here

Quoted from "Quaffy2;506453"

No no, ignore matk and mdam. Instead, stack tons of dex. It will allow you to dodge ToSHH bosses 70% of the time and double the damage of other mages, all while using a mento staff. Yoman knows what I'm talking about here

LOL! I just hope the OP gets your sarcasm lmaooo

Quoted from "Quaffy2;506453"

No no, ignore matk and mdam. Instead, stack tons of dex. It will allow you to dodge ToSHH bosses 70% of the time and double the damage of other mages, all while using a mento staff. Yoman knows what I'm talking about here

Quaffy is my new hero.

LOL'ed so hard.

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Killed Fandreith January 31, 2012

LOL....

Just imagine Fandreith hanging on the wall in Borella's house as trophy. LOL

God the Mage forum has not been this much fun in a loooooong time!

Way to derail guys! Woot!

Ok, anyway. What Yoman said, OP. It's hard to understand what you mean- you are talking about gear direction or buff direction? That's two different scenarios.

If the question is "Should I pay 900mil gold for the Shackles staff and skimp on ma stats?" then the answer is... maybe? The Shackles staff is too good to pass up if you have 900mil and a seller, but you can always just wait and farm more ma stats, so... hmmm.

If the question is "Should I use Mdam food or MA food?" the answer is try both on each boss/instance. If you get more dps with the mdam food, use it on that boss/instance. If you get more with the mattack food- you get the point. The mattack softcap is somewhere between 125-130k, so if you are close to that cap without food, try the mdam food. You'll figure out which food to use in each instance. I always carry both, but since I am still gearing, I almost always use the MA food.

Ok, back to derailsville.

Borella is a big meanie. He did kill me (actually, he spam killed me), but he had 2 babymages chain silencing and stunning me lol. However- he woulda killed me anyway, cause mdef=good lol. I needed a rogue! When have you ever been in an arena and not had any rogues at all? Lol.

Bottom line: In p/s vs p/s the mdef vs. mattak formula is very very relevant, and while I'd love to actually siege against Bor to see just how much more effective it is to be heavy MA statted vs heavy Wis statted- the jury is still out. I think I probably hit a lot harder on low mdef targets, but on high mdef targets, Bor will always hit for just as much or more than me, despite the difference in MA.

Our mage hits me easily for 90k+ crits on my insane 40k mdef if he switches to P/S :/ that HURTS,ffs.

And Shield of Discipline vs Flame crit + Eruption (so double crit) = Flame wins vs active Shield (-63% mdmg) -_-

felt a bit like a roasted chicken ... just with more metal.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;507012"

Ok, back to derailsville.

Borella is a big meanie. He did kill me (actually, he spam killed me), but he had 2 babymages chain silencing and stunning me lol. However- he woulda killed me anyway, cause mdef=good lol. I needed a rogue! When have you ever been in an arena and not had any rogues at all? Lol.

Bottom line: In p/s vs p/s the mdef vs. mattak formula is very very relevant, and while I'd love to actually siege against Bor to see just how much more effective it is to be heavy MA statted vs heavy Wis statted- the jury is still out. I think I probably hit a lot harder on low mdef targets, but on high mdef targets, Bor will always hit for just as much or more than me, despite the difference in MA.

I'm sorry Fan. <3

Yeah I was critting Fan for about what she was critting me, even though she has much more matk than I do and the same weapon, a t10 +16 Queen. Borella has mdef, Fan has matk, so it evens out.

Hey Cloaked, always go for higher mdmg, if there's a weapon for higher mdmg, always upgrade, you can worry about matk later. I might be wrong, but the soft cap in tosh hm is about 90k matk? Not too familiar with dmg formulas so anyone (who isn't a dex statting mage) can overrule me on this. After your matk>mob mdef, go with mdmg. (I assume you meant matk food as opposed to mdmg food, in this case its best to test it out with both).

In short: matk all the way until your matk value is higher than the mob mdef value. After that, mdmg Will benefit you better than matk.

since bosses pdef and mdef seems to be the same its more like 150k def of boss1 according to Druffbaum. but as in sardo some bosses have really high def (sardo b3 Lanaik comes to mind here) some do not.

but the whole thread is pretty obsolete as long mr "im endgame" does not show up with numbers or atleast names his staff...

like this example here:

"i have neither Puppet nor Shackled , Shackled is ~20% better than Puppet." matk increase until softcap = linear more dmg.
so: Puppet + equipment that gets you an increase of MORE than 20% matk >> only Shackled.

If Shackled is really 900M (wtf 900 ... OD ~200M here.. 900M ... thats like "ITS OVER 9000!!!!!" lol)someone who has not even a Puppet Queen would be better off with the 2nd-best staff AND some equip parts a) cheaper b) more efficiently as in he'd do more damage as with only THE best staff for the same or more gold.


And for Mr. "gimme some DEX": If shes weighs the same as a duck, shes made of wood. Therefore... she's a witch. (C) Monty Python

Thats about the level of h/er/is logic.

I am going to guess you are talking about using buffs. If you are talking about witch to spend money on first by getting a great weapon or great gear, the weapon would be first.

For buffs, it depends on the dungeon you are running. With the magic attack you have are you able to do your full damage on monsters? If yes then use m damage food. If no, use magic attack.

Like for me, in Hos i use m damage b/c i have magic attack to where i can do full damage but in rt i use Magic attack buffs because i can't hit my full damage on bosses.

YOMAN! Clean your box again lol.

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