Runes of Magic US / AU

I'd like to thank warriors and rogues for your gift of DPS and making it apply to Knights. The largest nerf heard of in this game. We aren't a DPS class why should this apply to us (CH 2)? You made the change. This is why we need a weapon mastery.

Quoted from "Galenwaithien;515862"

We could say damn contrarian to you and still be right.

look 29.9k times 140% (didn't know of a base 30% crit) is about 80k still there are flaws in your formula. even in that post u posted a link to someone said they weren't near the 25k they recieve. So I'll say show me a screenshot of your hits with the Letin sword and i'll start believeing it is a better sword. And I still hate this change to DPS from ch 2. This makes me hate it more. Go kill a lvl 1 rabbit. I want to see a screenshot.

Look DPS has already become an archaic system for knights. READ THIS : Basically it says it takes 2.4 Letin swords to do the 7.1k damage wheras it takes 3 Jugglar swords to do 7.466k damage. What does this matter? Absolutely nothing. As sonn as they switched to DPS for our skill of HS it did not matter much b/c of low total phis damage on swords. 2.5k vs 7.4k tho is a modifier of (5) difference. Where DPS of the two weapons has only doubled (2) with Letins (3). If today the phis damage of main hand weapon were applied to 462% vs about 260% from lvl 60 or 55 it is a large difference. This is the nerf city from which all nerfs are born. I still rue the day that it took 2 updates to change to this archaic system and patch notes on the last patch which completed the change back in CH 2.

Ok 38k woopie. U might have well gone for the legendary series. 3554.9 DPS at +16 T11. Letin still not the best sword in game. So its not all its cracked up to be. for about 4k more damage over Jugglar takeing 10% of 38k for T10. Still not near worth the price of 120 mil on our servers. Unrivaled would have beaten even the Legendary series. With the way you are stacked you should've gone for the Legendary series.

Quoted from "andreasels;515880"

If you would have read everything....it was on Whirlwind and I replied on this that AoEs got a general Malus (which has been introduced somewhere in Open Beta I guess, you can check patchnotes from there)

DPS was always the most important for skills btw, dmg added a bit also, but dps was far superior.

How can u say that? DPS was on our skills of Shield of Attonement and Charge and Shock and Threaten. HS was figured by taking the white hit and multiplying it by the percent. For example, 1 white hit of 10k times 243% would be the hit for HS back then (24k) I saw maybe 17k b/c i had low pattack. But with the change to DPS it was barely noticible but a minor increase. Somehow this scales to what level u are at. Lower lvls get a additional bonus of about (2) but this is not visually noticeable b/c the weapon requires a certain lvl and DPS formula has changed about 3 times now each conviently at respected cap changes. Anyways If we had the same rule apply today. In TB i notice one white hit of 10k times 462% which is around 46k a number still superior to what your DPS praised Letin sword puts out. If you do not think that was a nerf you are blind by your Letin Sword. (Note: Why would DPS formula need to be reconfigured 3 times if it worked correctly?) As a result we deserve a kind of mastery in which i have suggested. Why +2.75? why double 462%?

what you fail to see is that i nearly doubled the skill % and using the same weapon from that era get the same damage numbers that i had previously. Arent u tired of string along fun time with RoM?

Quoted from "zidlef;515905"

Ok i have these buffed as K/S :

Str 12810
Dex 5056
Sta 16150
Int 2008
Wis 2434

Damage 8068
PAtk 50225
crit 1943 47%
Acc 4540

Pdef 335K
Parry 2135
dodge 4952

I'm using a Juggler sword tier 9 + 15

For me we should have a bonus for Strengh on Damage, The stronger you are the more damage you do. If an opponent is too close to you and you use Whirlwind shield and he doesn't get any damage. Charge is suppose to stun an player for 4 seconds and mob for 7.3 seconds and it doesn'T do it. Shield of attonement stuns opponet for 6.6 seconds doesn't work.

But hey rogues skills that traps you always works, and other types too. But not the knight, WHY???

We have been told for 3 years now that they would give Knights an adjustment, where is it? all others get nerfed up but not us Knights. So should we all go and play cowardly rogues? Fun to see them die in instances where they need a tank and i pull back instead of charging. See them try to run away and say where's the tank wth. Just to make them realize that if we were not there they are totally worthless. But hey we are just meat shields, so funny now that in world chat they are always looking for tanks. LOL

I only run with a few players that i like and play for the fun of the game, not just go invisible at will because they can't fight.

Please give us a nerf up. If i come at you with an 6 foot long 2H sword and have 12810 STR against the puny rogue at 5K if he'S lucky, I hit you once you should fall dead, as much as P/S with ice blades that one shots me since no Mdef.

My two cents

I love your stats and I wish I compared to you. You said it. The stronger u are the more damage u do. Did I say I love your stats?

ME:
strength 5669
dex 3773
stam 11708
int 1439
wis 1544

and thats with a hero pot. I only beat you in crit 63.45% or 3282

I drew a graph of your formula or i should say the formula, damage at attack speed: index.php?page=Attachment&attachmentID=4157
the yellow represents without a damage modifer i.e. some Mastery.
Can you see that having a mastery has nothing to do with being a DPS?
As skill percent reaches 500% it is a near linear or nominal effect to damage for weapons over 2.3 seconds , past 500% it eventually increases expoentially. But we yield no skill above 500%. Therefore those with s/p over 500% are called in terms DPS. Calling damage a base number for Knights. We want to see a higher base. This is achieved by a mastery.

If this is not possible for us we would rather see: damage index.php?page=Attachment&attachmentID=4158
On one skill called Holy Strike.

But since this is not going to happen back to a mastery suggestion would look more like this in damage: index.php?page=Attachment&attachmentID=4159the blue represents without a mastery.

Now let me draw you another graph: index.php?page=Attachment&attachmentID=4160
that is still using your formula.
There is nothing wrong with the formula except how it is being used for knights.
Since DPS is a given number it can be replaced by Weapon physical damage. Higher number = higher damage. simple.
The damage coefficient seems to be the integral of the DPS formula, Increase the damage coeeficient = better damage potential.
So there are 3 suggestions for Knights to be a balanced class in the RoM community.

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And sorry, but....I can't follow your argumentation at all.

there is no argumentation that is only in your head.

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Anyway, you are still better with the DPS formula, since DPS can be raised much more than the pure dmg (cause of speedbuffs as Raid Rune, Lute, Strong Stimulant...), so in the end you do more dmg than with old formula.

that is such a small figure that it gets buried in the enviroment variables. or in other words practically canceled out.


Anyways.. If none of this then how about you remove the red when i spam holy strike. It get kinda annoying and usually I pan around the camera to avoid having to look at it.

Sure wish we'd get a mastery tho.

so your figure of 2.75 is actually found by attack speed - (damage coefficient / attack speed) You must recalulate for 2.4 seconds which is about 2.1 so for letins DPS*(2.1 + 2*skillpercent) = damage Therefore changing from 3 seconds to 2.4 seconds a higher DPS on weapon is to be expected. But we also must take into account that the lvl is changed on the weapon by 5 which is a 2:1 base in gameplay so realalissticly it is DPS*(2.1 + 2.2*skillpercent) = damage as we approach lvl 75 HS this will be reduced to DPS*(2.1 + 2*skillpercent) = damage. Therefore increasing lvl of player and lvl of HS seems to invalitate each other. Yet it is needed to continue on but having little to no effect on damage. Plus it makes you feel better with a newer weapon.
Sorry about the graphs that u can't see but it would show that you need over 500% skill lvl to achieve a damage equal or greater to using the weapon damage over DPS. Us knights know the DPS system is great for other classes b/c it would do more damage than using weapon damage times skill percent. But this will never happen for knights. We don't care.
As for aggro generation. On the tooltip says each skill lvl adds to aggro. But we don't have a skill for it. To make this a true statement we would need a mastery skill that modifys our damage. For each skill lvl in mastery, adds to aggro. See how it is worded? Im tired of the formulas and figures. I was before I started this thread. No need to make sense here just give us a way of coming to better damage on a overall scale.