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Saturday, March 31st 2012, 8:37pm

Comprehensive W/R Thread

Hello Everyone, sorry if any of this is covered in other threads. I'm a 70/69 W/R that's starting to get geared out and I need help. W/R is supposed to be one of the top dps classes and I'm not seeing it. So hopefully you guys can help me out.

1) How to stat:
I know this is covered in other threads but oh well. My main question here is why is str/hp better than Stam/pa. I'm getting hassled by my guild for having no pdef (they still see warriors as semi-tanks) so I started statting 3x str/pa, 2x stam/pa, and 1x other (depending what's already on the gear). I'm reading in other threads that it's better to use str/hp instead of stam/pa though. So why? Also, I can't really get the aoth forest set, so keep that in mind.

2) Skills:
A few questions here. Is it worth the TP to max brute strength? Mine is at 60 right now. Is Thunder really worth using (I've seen a lot of debate about this). I feel like it is an unnecessary use of valuable TP. I currently have PA=lvl65, OF=60, BD=67, KA=67, SC=62, SS=69, S=62 (I only have 59 mil total TP). Any suggestions on where to go from here and maybe a good way to farm TP?

3) Gear:
My server is WAAAAY behind on running instances, so TosH gear is pretty much out of the question for me, as well as anything from Annelia and even last boss Sardo (they just don't like fighting him). I have 3/4 boro boro (no chest), 3/4 Trap (no ring), Mem accessory set, and shell cape. Weapons are a t9 +16 Juggler sword main and t6 statted +12 performance hand axe offhand. How much am I hurting myself using trap instead of Paicha? Any other suggestions? What are the best runes to use?

Any help is appreciated.

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Saturday, March 31st 2012, 8:54pm

Indeed W/R is one of the top DPS classes in the game. The reason why I stat Str/Hp over Stam/P.Att is because Str/Hp gives more P.Att than Stam/P.Att of the same tier because P.Att is a raw stat and is not affected by Brute Strength and Hero Potion. W/R is NOT an off tank. Especially when you get -50% P.Def from Frenzied Attack and -36% P.Def from Beserk. If they are telling you to stat P.Def then they are destroying your DPS output.

I stat Str/P.Att x 3, Str/Hp x 2, Str/Stam. I currently rune with Aggression, Potential, Might, and Agile. However I am looking to swap over to Aggression, Potential, Block, Revolution X's when I can. Warrior's are very heavy on TP so it's important to know which skills to level up. SA, PA, OF, SC, KA, BD, Thunder are the only moves you should invest heavy TP in. W/R's do not use Slash.

Using Trap set over Paicha will hurt your DPS. Trap set has accuracy, and much less crit on it than Paicha does. You don't need that much accuracy for end game PvE. The mem accessory set and shell cape is good. Your weapons are fine and should be putting out good DPS. Rune with Wrath, Fatal, Recon, Raid on main hand weapon.
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Sunday, April 1st 2012, 1:31am

Thanks for the reply. I never calculated out how much patk I got from a str stat, but I guess it is slightly more. I thought maybe the def from stam made up for it, but it seems like straight hp is more important than def looking at other threads.

I don't have access to Hero Str/Stam stats, so should I just use another str/hp? Or try to get a str/stam castle? I've never heard that W/R doesn't use Slash. I use it for filler in between PA cooldowns and the bleed is nice. Why don't they use it?

I find that I do miss a lot. I have about 2k accuracy. I don't have runes for my gear, so my dex is real low. Why are you going to stop using mights? Cause they don't have X's?

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Sunday, April 1st 2012, 3:42am

If you can't get Str/Stam Heros than use Stam/P.Att in it's place. The difference isn't that big. Dropping to a Str/Hp Bunker is worse than a Stam/P.Att Hero. Dual wielding W/R's that I know don't use Slash because it is a waste of their rage. Blood Dance, Keen Attack, and Shadowstab can be used and you can save rage for OF, SC, Thunder. Also, if there is another Warrior in the party you can leech their PA. :D Only Slash if everything is on CD which rarely happens, that's why I didn't suggest investing heavy TP into it. Missing is not your accuracy, it's your weapon skill. Go buy a low level weapon, strip your gear, and smack some Pupa eggs in Ravenfell. If your accuracy was the problem you would notice a Dodge instead not Miss. And yes, I'm swapping out Mights because I really can't get those in X. Hp is quite important in ToSH-H.
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Sunday, April 1st 2012, 4:54am

Quoted from "mikkehboii;521743"

Indeed W/R is one of the top DPS classes in the game. The reason why I stat Str/Hp over Stam/P.Att is because Str/Hp gives more P.Att than Stam/P.Att of the same tier because P.Att is a raw stat and is not affected by Brute Strength and Hero Potion. W/R is NOT an off tank. Especially when you get -50% P.Def from Frenzied Attack and -36% P.Def from Beserk. If they are telling you to stat P.Def then they are destroying your DPS output.

I stat Str/P.Att x 3, Str/Hp x 2, Str/Stam. I currently rune with Aggression, Potential, Might, and Agile. However I am looking to swap over to Aggression, Potential, Block, Revolution X's when I can. Warrior's are very heavy on TP so it's important to know which skills to level up. SA, PA, OF, SC, KA, BD, Thunder are the only moves you should invest heavy TP in. W/R's do not use Slash.

Using Trap set over Paicha will hurt your DPS. Trap set has accuracy, and much less crit on it than Paicha does. You don't need that much accuracy for end game PvE. The mem accessory set and shell cape is good. Your weapons are fine and should be putting out good DPS. Rune with Wrath, Fatal, Recon, Raid on main hand weapon.


Soooo would you mind elaborating the stats for someone who's completely new :3? If it's not too much to ask it would he greatly appreciated <3
Are you putting str/p.att equally 3 times then str/ hp equally two times then str/stam equally one time then repeat process or? I'm sorry >.< I'm new to this kind of mmorpg but completely intrigued

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Sunday, April 1st 2012, 5:12am

Quoted from "angelicaw101;521818"

Soooo would you mind elaborating the stats for someone who's completely new :3? If it's not too much to ask it would he greatly appreciated <3
Are you putting str/p.att equally 3 times then str/ hp equally two times then str/stam equally one time then repeat process or? I'm sorry >.< I'm new to this kind of mmorpg but completely intrigued


Yes, I'm statting the same on all of my pieces the same exact way.
Str/P.Att (Crimson or Bunker either one I have on hand)
Str/P.Att Hero
Str/P.Att Glorious
Str/Hp Hero
Str/Hp Glorious
Str/Stam Hero (This is a hard mode stat only so it may be hard for some to obtain)

I'm sure you're aware that you can have up to 6 stats per gear. As a Warrior you are a DPS and your main focus is dealing damage. However it is important to maintain a balance between P.Att and Hp so that you may survive in instances. That's why I stat that way. 3 stats based on P.Att, 3 stats based on Hp.
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Sunday, April 1st 2012, 5:22am

Yes as a warrior every stat you put on your gear should either have a str or a P.Attk componet.

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Monday, April 2nd 2012, 1:26pm

So, what skills should a W/R invest in then? I'm currently a level 27/21/20 W/K/R and I just now saw this thread and I've already invested like 27 levels of TP into Slash not knowing I wouldn't need it because I just came back to playing RoM from a year and a half break.
Any help would be greatly appreciated since apparently no one on Govinda is able to help me, and when I ask for help they call me a "noob" and tell me to "google it" and that all I want is someone holding my hand. Rest assured that's nothing what I want, I just want some friendly advice from experienced players who know what they're talking about instead of trying to make me feel like the community sucks.

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Monday, April 2nd 2012, 2:50pm

I personaly keep slash maxed so I can use TA next which is a good damage combo.

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Monday, April 2nd 2012, 3:36pm

@Opeth- There's nothing wrong with Slash at 27. Leveling all skills to 50 doesn't require much TP at all.

@MP- Yep Slash is important for all 2-Hders for our Slash>TA combo.
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Monday, April 2nd 2012, 3:58pm

Quoted from "mikkehboii;521820"

Yes, I'm statting the same on all of my pieces the same exact way.
Str/P.Att (Crimson or Bunker either one I have on hand)
Str/P.Att Hero
Str/P.Att Glorious
Str/Hp Hero
Str/Hp Glorious
Str/Stam Hero (This is a hard mode stat only so it may be hard for some to obtain)

I'm sure you're aware that you can have up to 6 stats per gear. As a Warrior you are a DPS and your main focus is dealing damage. However it is important to maintain a balance between P.Att and Hp so that you may survive in instances. That's why I stat that way. 3 stats based on P.Att, 3 stats based on Hp.


Bangs, you forgot to tell em about your secret stating method of using imprisonment stats.

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Monday, April 2nd 2012, 4:12pm

Quoted from "brogue;522087"

Bangs, you forgot to tell em about your secret stating method of using imprisonment stats.


LOL! Those secrets can't be revealed ;)
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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 12:57am

Quoted from "mikkehboii;522085"

@Opeth- There's nothing wrong with Slash at 27. Leveling all skills to 50 doesn't require much TP at all.

@MP- Yep Slash is important for all 2-Hders for our Slash>TA combo.


Alright, I'm just so used to using a W/K and I quit over a year ago, so all my skills were reset and I'm trying to figure out how to get them back

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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 1:57am

Thanks for all the help guys. The only problem with statting like you mentioned is it takes more puries for that dumb t4 str/pa. :P I'm also going to stop using Slash for a while to see if I see any change in my dps before I decide to wipe my TP.

One more question though. I think I understand the skill rotation during a fight, but what's the best way to start it? With our cooldowns only lasting 10 and 15 seconds, I find that I miss out on a lot of it by the time I'm able to pop everything. What do you guys do at the start of a boss fight?

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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 2:05am

Quoted from "abalm89;522200"

Thanks for all the help guys. The only problem with statting like you mentioned is it takes more puries for that dumb t4 str/pa. :P I'm also going to stop using Slash for a while to see if I see any change in my dps before I decide to wipe my TP.

One more question though. I think I understand the skill rotation during a fight, but what's the best way to start it? With our cooldowns only lasting 10 and 15 seconds, I find that I miss out on a lot of it by the time I'm able to pop everything. What do you guys do at the start of a boss fight?


Caviar Sandwich>Aggressiveness>Strong Stim>Rage Pot>Beserk>Crit Pot>Frenzy>Frenzied Attack> go destroy stuff. And with music playing in the background of course.
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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 9:37pm

I'm sad that I didn't know about caviar sandwiches until your post :( I've been testing my dps without slash and adding in thunder (lvl 50 right now) and I do think it helps. I'll have to wait and test it on an instance that we run often to be sure, but I'm thinking a skill reset might be in the near future.

Couple more questions to keep this thing rolling. What lvl is your brute strength and surprise attack? What would be the best chest piece to use if you can't get ToSH or boro boro (or any Annelia chest pieces)?

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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 10:37pm

Quoted from "abalm89;522392"

I'm sad that I didn't know about caviar sandwiches until your post :( I've been testing my dps without slash and adding in thunder (lvl 50 right now) and I do think it helps. I'll have to wait and test it on an instance that we run often to be sure, but I'm thinking a skill reset might be in the near future.

Couple more questions to keep this thing rolling. What lvl is your brute strength and surprise attack? What would be the best chest piece to use if you can't get ToSH or boro boro (or any Annelia chest pieces)?


My Brute Strength is at 65, I would like it to be higher but I've just recently created my Warrior toon and re-rolled to it so I'm low on TP. My Suprise Attack is at 60 because my W/Wdn elite skill adds to my P.Att when I use it. You can either use Devil Slaughter chest or Shell vendor chest, P.Dmg or Crit, your choice.

Edit: You can also get Housekeeper Caviar Sandwichs starting at lvl 21 cooking from your housekeepers. So if you have a spare housekeeper slot, you can get a housekeeper affinity to 35 and cooking to 35 and keep it there for free Caviar Sandwichs. Don't level it past 40 or else you don't get them anymore. I leave them at 35 in case I mis-click anything. They are exactly the same as the crafted ones.
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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 11:32pm

I keep my Brute Strength maxed out, and try to keep my Suprise Attack at a high level for the same resons as him. ^

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Thursday, April 5th 2012, 4:05am

My priorities for distributing tp:

brute strength > keen attack > splitting chop > thunder > blood dance > probing attack > open flank > slash, which i currently all have maxed

i put brute strength on highest priority because more patk means all hits hit harder, thunder is up there now because it was taken off the same cooldown as splitting chop, and slash is nice to add an extra bleed for any friendly w/wds in the party =). I have surprise attack, whirlwind, and blasting cyclone at lv55 because I don't use them during burn so lvling them more doesn't make a big enough difference for them to have priority.

I currently stat
str/patk hero/glorious
str/hp hero/glorious
str/stam hero
str/stam/dex hero

before last boss toshh was easily farmable had a stam/patk glorious instead of the str/stam/dex, and before toshh was easily farmable had a stam/patk hero instead of str/stam. If you can reach 120k+ hp buffed and still have pieces to stat/restat then str/patk bunker/crimson could replace a stam/patk.

Paicha set >> Trap set

I'd take the Devil Slaughter chest over the shell chest for the extra damage because between paicha and 3/4 boro boro you should have plenty of crit. The precision mento set is great as well. And one trap ring would be ideal, but the dilan'y ring is still good.

I think that's everything =)
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Thursday, April 5th 2012, 5:02am

Quoted from "chuckles88;522684"

and slash is nice to add an extra bleed for any friendly w/wds in the party =).


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