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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 2:41am

Wisdom vs defense

Ok so i recently started stacking more wisdom.. BUT im loosing a crap load of defense.. How you all balance it out? I'm currently at like 12.8k wisdom and like 78k pdef unbuffed... I been playing with the character plan addon to see how i wanna stat when the new ones come out and when i get my new set.. If i stat the way i wanted.. -.- ill be at like 46k pdef.. but 17k wisdom... =[ what should i do?

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 2:58am

Heres how I'm currently statting new gear to plan for the next content:

Anni Hero (stam/hp)
Glorious skill (wis/hp)
Hero skill (wis/hp)
Destruction Hero (stam/wis)
Glorious Guard (stam/def)
Protection Hero (stam/def)

I find that this gives a good deal amount of both wisdom and survivability. Things may vary depending on what you're aiming for though.

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 3:06am

well i have been going all wisdom and im talking about for when the new stats come , i believe they are called remains and something else.. So i was gonna do wis/hpx4 stam/wis and stam/hp.. now while i'll have a shat load of hp and wisdom thats where the pdef goes down to like 40k.. But i just redid more math and im thinking wis/hpx4 stam/wis and one stam/def.. That should put me around 60kpdef unbuffed.. And then i should be able to buff enough defense from there it wont matter...

The thing for me is i been trying to stack wisdom since yoman showed me a druid with like 20k wisdom unbuffed *.* EPIC .. but i dont think its posible for my play style

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 4:22am

Yeah, EU's druids are doubling, some tripling my regens, My healing Arrows ticks 10k, theirs ticks 20-25k. I did some math for the statting I gave:

Non-OD
hp: 4582
pdef: 1972
Wisdom: 348

OD
hp: 5498.4
pdef: 2366.4
wisdom:417.6

x15 stattable armor slots....

Total from stats:
All non OD:
hp: 68,730
pdef: 29,580
wisdom: 5,220

All OD:
hp: 82,476
pdef: 35,496
wisdom: 6,264

Aaaand, lets say you t6 and +12 tosh armor healing set OD(robe also t6, if higher tier then more pdef), you'd gain:
=14,170.5 pdef

Aaand the shadoj set t6 +12 OD
=6,013.5 pdef

Callous Sacrifice Cape t6+12 OD
=2726.6 pdef

Allllllll of this amounts to 58,406 pdef. Now, this might not seem like much, but remember to factor in hero pot, pet, character base attributes, and should easily hit 60-65k pdef.

I'm very well aware some druids like to focus primarily on wisdom, but they way I'm choosing to go is a hybrid for sieging and pve. All of this would be ideal, but, I'm always low on gold, so I doubt this would ever come to fruition, at least for me.

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 8:01am

Quoted from "WhootyHoo;523319"


The thing for me is i been trying to stack wisdom since yoman showed me a druid with like 20k wisdom unbuffed *.* EPIC .. but i dont think its posible for my play style


i want to see this druid please, i'm interested in their healing numbers

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 8:50am

The one i seen did like a 26k healing arrow.. Which omg i would love to do .. Fully buffed up my healing arrow can hit like 16k a tick..

Raves. Do you go more defense for pvp or pve? im confused as to which.. The way i was seeing it is my defense wont matter in an instance because im more ranged then priests are and my mdef would cover from aoe's.. I dont seige.. So im still trying to debate on which way to go

ATM i'm 118k hp unbuffed with like 78k pdef.. I have 13k wisdom unbuffed.. I think its a decent average for being in the middle.. but i want more wisdom .. but the only wisdom i want is wis/hp there for i loose alot of defense

again im just still debating but really torn from defense or hots..

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 9:03am

You could always just go like

Wis/hp
Wis/hp
Stam/wis
wis/def
stam/def
stam/hp

its a good balance between the two. although hots are rather over rated and the druid you saw probably had a mdamage sigil on.
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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 9:30am

wis/def is a trash stat for me.. -.^ and as for over rated in hots.... I dont understand how. As for the druid i saw.. The 26k healing arrow was no sigil just fully buffed for healing.. 20k healing arrows in an instance especially if running with a priest would be awesome.

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 10:49am

Quoted from "WhootyHoo;523364"


Raves. Do you go more defense for pvp or pve? im confused as to which.. The way i was seeing it is my defense wont matter in an instance because im more ranged then priests are and my mdef would cover from aoe's.. I dont seige.. So im still trying to debate on which way to go

ATM i'm 118k hp unbuffed with like 78k pdef.. I have 13k wisdom unbuffed.. I think its a decent average for being in the middle.. but i want more wisdom .. but the only wisdom i want is wis/hp there for i loose alot of defense

again im just still debating but really torn from defense or hots..


Hmm, yeah, you're definitely passed me in terms of stats lol, huge turnaround from when you pm'd me and making my jaw drop at how low your wisdom was a couple months back lol.

I *try* to stat more for pvp, but keeping in mind that I PvE everyday. I'm a siege war junkie.

I'm completely skipping the tosh set (my annelia set is complete, and dont see enough merit to upgrade one level) so my gear is a bit dated. I still have some temple/tomb/castle stats on maybe 1/3 of my gear at the moment. Sad, I know, but when you're as poor as I am 90% of the time, you gotta work with what ya got. The lvl 75 healing gear however is ~30% increase in overall base stats vs the annelia set, so definitely going for the new one once its out.

After the recent debacles in regard to siege, I just dont see myself investing the RL money that I used to in order to progress fast. I'm just waiting until I cant keep up with the instances and my gear becomes so dated that I just cant run. After that I'm gone. Yeah, Ill upgrade, but not as fast as I did before.

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Edit:

Just came to my mind-why not use Sanctity stats from the Cursed Face Robe? I know theyre not in abundance, but if you can get your hands on them, theyre the orange stats with 116 wisdom, would get more wisdom out of that than going 1 lower tier (some pdef too). Might look something like this:

Hero- Stam/wis
Hero- Wis/stam/int <---Sanctity Orange Stat
Hero- Wis/hp
Glorious- wis/hp
Bunker- wis/hp
Hero- stam/def

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 12:54pm

I fail so see how wis/def is a trash stat for you when you are finding it hard to balance wisdom and defense. Stacking Hp isnt ideal as most aoes that will hit you will be HP % based so it will become harder to heal yourself to full. Wis/def is still pretty pro imo.
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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 9:37pm

Quoted from "FrshlyPaintd;523379"

I fail so see how wis/def is a trash stat for you when you are finding it hard to balance wisdom and defense. Stacking Hp isnt ideal as most aoes that will hit you will be HP % based so it will become harder to heal yourself to full. Wis/def is still pretty pro imo.


Im not "finding it hard to balance" .. im more or less confused as to which way to go. as for my hp.. most aoe's are becoming more and more percent based but not all boos/mobs attacks.. Hell a charm goes wrong and im usually screwed.. most the time i live with like 10k hp left.. alot of times its a one shot.. So defense or not im confused as to that.

More or less the point of this is to find out if defense is really worth it for a druid.. I know alot of fights we are doing now i cant tell if its about defense or not.. Like shint 5th boss tosh hard.. that bleep shadow steps someone.. half time is me .. i get hit like 80% .. is it 80% of everyone or is that just my defense? that is the stuff im asking about.. if defense is not needed for anything except pvp.. (which i dont do) then im not gonna use itn

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Monday, April 9th 2012, 11:14am

For PvE, pdef is not really too much of a concern. Any decent tank can hold a proper druid's aggro, but surviving a trash mob hit and not having to run back from the rez point is good too. In PvE, this is when Rock Protection and candy immune come in handy. 5-9 seconds should be more than enough time for a tank to gain aggro on a group of mobs, or, if it comes down to it, a boss.

Little story that happened to me a few days ago- Was pugging tosh hard with EDH, and they were testing out a new tank whos usually a dps in tosh. Being lazy, I went in as d/w for 2nd boss (I usually go d/s for cleansing the slows) and another druid I came along with instantly pulled aggro and died. I hit MEF without thinking, and saw the boss switch target, so I popped rock protection followed up by a candy immune at .5 left. Once candy was running out I realized I more than doubled the tank's aggro, so I went on to pop defensive formation (maxed) and tanked the boss from 95% to about 45% by self healing and priests UHing me until defensive formation ran out.

Now, this wont be possible as d/s in the way you want to stat, but this shows that pdef is not all that bad in PvE, a good amount can be the difference between a rez point run, or moving on to the next boss. (As a druid, you only need to survive the first hit to cast rock protection, and then follow it up with a candy immune in order to give your tank (or dps) 5-9 seconds of either regrabbing aggro, or downing the boss.)

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Monday, April 9th 2012, 11:20am

Quoted from "Ravesden;523573"

5-9 seconds should be more than enough time for a tank to gain aggro on a group of mobs, or, if it comes down to it, a boss.


What if tank goes answer a phone call ? :D

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Monday, April 9th 2012, 3:31pm

Shoulda used mother earths protection too raves ;)
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Monday, April 9th 2012, 9:24pm

Quoted from "Drigr;523589"

Shoulda used mother earths protection too raves ;)


I usually try and save that for 30% in case the tank has a soldier on them.

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Monday, April 9th 2012, 10:43pm

Just go all out wis, defense is totally useless
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Sunday, April 22nd 2012, 4:48am

Quoted from "WhootyHoo;523369"

wis/def is a trash stat for me.. -.^ and as for over rated in hots.... I dont understand how. As for the druid i saw.. The 26k healing arrow was no sigil just fully buffed for healing.. 20k healing arrows in an instance especially if running with a priest would be awesome.


Whooty one thing I know for sure that there is a cap for regens and that cap it 24015 for at the very least recover. I have tested this many different ways with food without food with curing seed without curing seed. The only way to get that number higher from what I have seen is to get a magic sigil which increases ur magic power and forces it above the cap unless there is some really special buff or food that allows for that number to be surpassed I hit that 24015 number with curing seed and wisdom buff only and then used unity with mother earth which increases ur healing power by 10% and it still stayed at 24015 so it is a regen cap but technically a soft cap as it can be broken with a sigil.

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Sunday, April 22nd 2012, 5:19am

Priest/Knight has a nice DEF buff :P lol... Hi Raves!
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Sunday, April 22nd 2012, 8:39am

Quoted from "PhantomFenom;526679"

Whooty one thing I know for sure that there is a cap for regens and that cap it 24015 for at the very least recover. I have tested this many different ways with food without food with curing seed without curing seed. The only way to get that number higher from what I have seen is to get a magic sigil which increases ur magic power and forces it above the cap unless there is some really special buff or food that allows for that number to be surpassed I hit that 24015 number with curing seed and wisdom buff only and then used unity with mother earth which increases ur healing power by 10% and it still stayed at 24015 so it is a regen cap but technically a soft cap as it can be broken with a sigil.

Mearkin d/s/m


This is true, for the Life Guide regen at least. We tested this today and with/without curing seed/lunar halo, his Life Guide tick always hit 24015. Now, I have seen a 25k healing arrows regen by a EU druid, but I'm fairly certain healing arrows has a different regen equation than the others. I could be wrong.

Sadly, I don't have an OD tosh staff tierred, and not upgrading from Annelia set until Ch5 so the highest Life Guide tick I can get is 23k (have not tried with Unity of Mother Earth yet). I'm thinking we might be nearing the regen cap for at least some skills. We'll see next chapter.

On a side note: I hit 198k pdef as a druid in siege today, and it is *nice*

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Sunday, April 22nd 2012, 10:03am

She needs to stop being bipolar and just give in to the urge to siege. We beg, she comes for a while, we stop begging and she stops.

As you can see Raves, god knows we need strong siege healers. And she loves it when she's doing it. Either that or she goes AFK and I don't see cause who bothers pocket healing a p/s anyway?

Whooty, just give in to the siren song of PvP. Stat a little defense and we'll be fine.

I would almost trade 26k HoT's for an hour of Whooty per night.

Almost ;)

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