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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 1:43pm

Why is D/W considered a melee class? -.-

So, I have a d/m/w and I have compared some general warrior skills between d/w and m/w. Warrior's general skills "Berserk" gives druids more pattk on account of lower pdef! On the other hand, the same skill gives mattk increase to mages and is so much better. I would understand if this was an elite skill on m/w, but it's a general warrior skill.

Also, d/w elite skill glory wand increases pattk speed. Why? Do druids really need pattk speed? LoL :)

Did RW ever think of these issues?
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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 2:17pm

One of the M/W elites modifies Berserk so that it increases matt.

D/W, like P/W, is set up to become a melee fighter rather than a healer.
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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 2:45pm

Quoted from "Inferiority;523382"

One of the M/W elites modifies Berserk so that it increases matt.

D/W, like P/W, is set up to become a melee fighter rather than a healer.


NO. D/w is actually one of the top healing druids.

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 9:11pm

Quoted from "Inferiority;523382"

One of the M/W elites modifies Berserk so that it increases matt.

D/W, like P/W, is set up to become a melee fighter rather than a healer.


I disagree. The d/w has elites that increase attack speed, yes, but that is only to help generate faster rage for your group heal elite, Healing Wind. The dmg modifier is just too low on the skills to be any worthwhile. That, and the long cooldowns.

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Sunday, April 8th 2012, 9:57pm

I would love to see more healer elites in D/W myself, but we get what we get. Patk/Pdam buff (the melees love this), Healing Wind (non mana based group heal, whats not to love?), and honestly, I like Glory Wand too, The increased healing to yourself, and the little shield that procs can be the difference between an add killing you or not.
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Friday, April 13th 2012, 4:36pm

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I would love to see more healer elites in D/W myself, but we get what we get. Patk/Pdam buff (the melees love this), Healing Wind (non mana based group heal, whats not to love?), and honestly, I like Glory Wand too, The increased healing to yourself, and the little shield that procs can be the difference between an add killing you or not.


*D/S jealousy brewing* ... We get this oh so 'useful' skill for 50/50 ... idiot here got that skill since she was playing S/D more at the end of chap 3.....I so regret doing so >.<

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Friday, April 13th 2012, 10:19pm

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*D/S jealousy brewing* ... We get this oh so 'useful' skill for 50/50 ... idiot here got that skill since she was playing S/D more at the end of chap 3.....I so regret doing so >.<


That stupid skill that pretty much broke my d/s for me...i regret ever getting it and actually was thinking about using a FoF to drop druid, get druid back, and lvl it back up, and then get all the elites except 50...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Friday, April 13th 2012, 10:26pm

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That stupid skill that pretty much broke my d/s for me...i regret ever getting it and actually was thinking about using a FoF to drop druid, get druid back, and lvl it back up, and then get all the elites except 50...


if scout isn't a class u use then drop scout lol

i also play s/r so can't bring myself to drop scout

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Saturday, April 14th 2012, 1:32am

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if scout isn't a class u use then drop scout lol

i also play s/r so can't bring myself to drop scout

i usually go s/d...but i never use my d/s even tho i love to heal because of that stupid elite drains my mana in like 5 min...i would still be d/s (s/d), but i'd just NOT have that elite
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Saturday, April 14th 2012, 12:58pm

Quoted from "Cike;524788"

That stupid skill that pretty much broke my d/s for me...i regret ever getting it and actually was thinking about using a FoF to drop druid, get druid back, and lvl it back up, and then get all the elites except 50...


That won't work, I believe. /: Once you get the elites you're stuck with them, and they all appear at level 1. So if you drop the druid class and pick it up again you'll still have that horrible Spring Flower Eulogy skill at level 1 druid. It's kind of a shame... that borked elite is one of the reasons I dropped my scout side on druid too.

As for d/w being melee, I have to disagree as well. With the exception of Cross of Thorns Attack all of our other elites are beneficial to healing, buffing, or maintaining rage and/or nature power for healing. I suppose that's not to say that a d/w melee isn't possible... I've heard of people attempting it but never heard of one that turned out well... >_<
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Tuesday, April 17th 2012, 4:30am

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That won't work, I believe. /: Once you get the elites you're stuck with them, and they all appear at level 1. So if you drop the druid class and pick it up again you'll still have that horrible Spring Flower Eulogy skill at level 1 druid. It's kind of a shame... that borked elite is one of the reasons I dropped my scout side on druid too.

As for d/w being melee, I have to disagree as well. With the exception of Cross of Thorns Attack all of our other elites are beneficial to healing, buffing, or maintaining rage and/or nature power for healing. I suppose that's not to say that a d/w melee isn't possible... I've heard of people attempting it but never heard of one that turned out well... >_<

that really sucks...i usually play either r/d or s/d, so i'm not dropping rogue or scout, so this is just one healer who's not gonna be healing all that often.
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Tuesday, November 20th 2012, 2:18am

D/W is a Melee class just like P/W, but people use it for healing because the elite Awakening of the Wild, which the DPS crave, increases damage. and pattack.
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Monday, December 3rd 2012, 3:50am

Besides using stamina/physical attack and HP/PA stats, how does D/W stat for getting the most out of the physical damage?
Would wisdom/physical attack be better than strength/physcial attack?

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Monday, December 3rd 2012, 4:27am

D/W is actually set up to be a melee fighter via its elites for questing/soloing etc as well as generating rage for healing wind. However in groups it is also great healer, and the melee party will love u for your pattk/pdmg buff :) The combo is a hybrid and can be used in both ways depending on the individuals play style.
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Monday, December 3rd 2012, 12:08pm

Alright, gonna chime in before we get some new people gearing up some melee D/W's and thinking they're going to get anywhere with it.

Because they're not.

The problem with d/w being melee (or lack of melee) is it has no spammable fillers when the main attacks are on cooldown. And they have loooong cooldowns. You're just not going to be able to have sustainable damage to be worthwhile to any party. Now, if you go in as a pure healer, they yes, you will be viable, useful, and more than just a "buffer" for the party. D/W can solo heal a party, or even a raid if you're good enough. But melee? Forget about being useful.

Just because it has melee elites, does NOT make it a melee viable combo. Its just bad implementation by the developer. It's viable as a pure healer, treat it strictly as such.

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Monday, December 3rd 2012, 12:42pm

Quoted from "Ravesden;579463"

Alright, gonna chime in before we get some new people gearing up some melee D/W's and thinking they're going to get anywhere with it.

Because they're not.

The problem with d/w being melee (or lack of melee) is it has no spammable fillers when the main attacks are on cooldown. And they have loooong cooldowns. You're just not going to be able to have sustainable damage to be worthwhile to any party. Now, if you go in as a pure healer, they yes, you will be viable, useful, and more than just a "buffer" for the party. D/W can solo heal a party, or even a raid if you're good enough. But melee? Forget about being useful.

Just because it has melee elites, does NOT make it a melee viable combo. Its just bad implementation by the developer. It's viable as a pure healer, treat it strictly as such.


I have to disagree that is completely sucks, the main problem with D/W was it lacked the weapon mastery besides that slash spam isn't bad for dps. However, it's now completely outclassed by all the classes with charged chop spam-ability. (This didn't use to be the case but taking charged chop and giving it no cooldown was one of the most ridiculous changes this game has made)

I could see maybe getting away with using it inside PvP but you lack the surprise attack of a warrior, it's a strange combo to be honest.

So usable as a Melle? Completely. I leveled as D/W as a melle originally with cloth with patk stats, painfully slow since you don't get a mastery and it only comes at of all levels level 70, as far as leveling it went though slash spam worked, it worked well, but if you missed a hit there goes all your rage.

Is it a good Melle? Better than P/W but still pretty trashy, probably better than the W/D combonation who knows that's for someone else to figure out.

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Monday, December 3rd 2012, 1:34pm

I have always thought of D/W as being the melee equivalent of the pure healer priests and druids. For the majority of pure healers, you spend all or nearly all of your activations using a support/heal skill while in a party. However, you need to be able to do some sort of damage while solo/farming/questing/etc. For other healers, that damage comes from magic skills, for D/W it's supposed to come from melee (at least, that seems to be the intent of the developers).

Being a melee DPS in a raid or other party situation is a completely different story. They seem to have designed a couple healer combos around the idea of being a DPS/healer hybrd. However, D/W isn't one of those combos and none of those combos are really viable in a hybrid role.

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Monday, December 3rd 2012, 5:00pm

Quoted from "Kefkai;579464"

I have to disagree that is completely sucks, the main problem with D/W was it lacked the weapon mastery besides that slash spam isn't bad for dps. However, it's now completely outclassed by all the classes with charged chop spam-ability. (This didn't use to be the case but taking charged chop and giving it no cooldown was one of the most ridiculous changes this game has made)

I could see maybe getting away with using it inside PvP but you lack the surprise attack of a warrior, it's a strange combo to be honest.

So usable as a Melle? Completely. I leveled as D/W as a melle originally with cloth with patk stats, painfully slow since you don't get a mastery and it only comes at of all levels level 70, as far as leveling it went though slash spam worked, it worked well, but if you missed a hit there goes all your rage.

Is it a good Melle? Better than P/W but still pretty trashy, probably better than the W/D combonation who knows that's for someone else to figure out.

This is just completely wrong i am sorry bud, but i am speaking from an endgame point of view as well as raves and a couple of others, D/w is made to be healer, if u want to quest you are better off using earth arrow, wrath and sandstorm than slash, it is not better than p/w not even close, p/w have shown to be able to dps on a solid base, it lacks on crits which is why atm is not viable as a dps.... to be honest and we all know it, the 70/70 where it allows d/w to wear chain or leather is an elite that should have gone to p/w instead, it would have make them much more useful for pve and pvp....

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Monday, December 3rd 2012, 7:29pm

P/W is more viable, IMO, due to Battlemonk Stance and Power Build-Up, so I really don't know why they went this direction with D/W. It makes no sense whatsoever. As others have mentioned, it would fail hard if someone tried to gear it up as strictly a physical DPS. You can't go hybrid, either, because everyone knows hybrid statting doesn't work in this game.

Its physical attacks revolve around gaining NP or converting NP to rage, which is what the AoE heal uses. It's a pure healer, IMO, and should be played as one despite the new elite. It still has no filler attack, and to be viable for physical damage it would need one. Beyond that it still has no mastery for physical weapons, which makes a huge difference.

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Monday, December 3rd 2012, 8:11pm

I have to agree on the D/W looking more like a healer than dps. I was tempted to try a D/W w/ the 70 elite, but I noticed the lack of spammables & that's a problem for a melee build. I will admit that I have NEVER played a D/W, so my opinion is just the opinion of someone looking at skills and potential combos. OTOH, p/w has a pretty solid spammable: EoFS @ 644% dps w/ ADS @ 720%, when there's enough rage, and a 45% 1-h weapon mastery ( Axe ).