Runes of Magic US / AU

crit equation is basically:

take the mob's level and multiply it by 30, then add 300. ( 30 * moblevel +300 ) = c
subtract result from your crit raw number, then divide by whichever is higher..c from above or your raw number.
add 1 then divide by 2 to get your crit chance.



the unknown is the boss' crit resistance value. (only bosses have crit resist) then a modifier...difficulty mode or world boss etc. ( its almost like the parameter acts as a pure % loss to your crit chance. so say your calculated crit is 75% as an example, it may be getting hit with a -40% penalty in the end...giving only a 45% rate against some boss.)

and unfortunately your results are pretty much how it is and will stay until level increase on the 12th. getting mattack above 150 definitely helps some. but with our relatively low crit rate the increase in dmg from being over isn't all that exciting in the end. pushing over 500k dmg on flame crits is kinda insignificant when you only see 1-3 for an entire burn phase :/

I never actually thought about crit being a problem with mages, but I finally now do lol

Melees like r/s are hitting super fast all the time, so our crit % goes into plain attacks as well, but mages got like only a few attack skills and the cast time makes it even worse.

I see crits all the time on my damageout thanks to how fast I hit, but for mages it must be a freakin surprise happy birthday cake awesomeness castle rampage when you see a crit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9TIIYELeic

Just look at the bottom right and you can see all the crits id cry if i were a mage

If the crit rate is really that bad for mages seems like they might want to start using the magic power setbonus stuff again. (VN, vahtos, GCH set etc etc)

Mages will just always get screwed. :/

Quoted from "bleedingblak;533135"

I never actually thought about crit being a problem with mages, but I finally now do lol

Melees like r/s are hitting super fast all the time, so our crit % goes into plain attacks as well, but mages got like only a few attack skills and the cast time makes it even worse.

I see crits all the time on my damageout thanks to how fast I hit, but for mages it must be a freakin surprise happy birthday cake awesomeness castle rampage when you see a crit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9TIIYELeic

Just look at the bottom right and you can see all the crits id cry if i were a mage

Nailed it.

@Berec- that's what we all use anyway. VN or GCH. Well, unless you can't get either of the above, and in that case, if you have to use the mem set, it's still better than Vahtos, cause one "SURPRISE! It's your BDAY!" crit is better than the little increase you get with Vahtos these days. They stopped putting crit on mage weapons after the Raksha staff, so unless you get crit on your accessories, you just don't crit.

@Borella- Word. I dunno why they freaking hate us so much, but good lord- we've seen one (count it, one) OD Jenny's piece since we started running ToSH. No robes at all. None. Not one. 400 million billion warrior pieces, enough scout chests for every scout on the server, enough rogue and scout assorted crap, cursed face junk out the wazoo, and we average one Jenny's piece per run, maybe. Don't even get me started on VN. If Palenque had 40 warriors, they could all have the VN cape.

If they aren't screwing with our damage, they're screwing with the loot tables. Apparently, in RoM, mage has a big target painted on our backside. Euuuurgh.

Fan, every single run we get atleast one mage piece. We have like 7-8 tosh geared mages in guild. For us its been an over abundance of mage gear. VN is just a joke with its drop rates on any cape but that fricken rage cape. I have run VN for over a year and just recently saw an Aoth Strike Cape drop.

No offense Fan, but mages have gotten a big buff since chapter 3. There was a little GC incident but after that you got another buff, so from a wider perspective you got it good compared to chapter 3. Enjoy being invited and extremely useful in dungeons again. If anything give mages a rotation. Cause spamming one button in boss fights is just a whole bunch of fail imo.

Quoted from "brogue;533256"

Fan, every single run we get atleast one mage piece. We have like 7-8 tosh geared mages in guild. For us its been an over abundance of mage gear. VN is just a joke with its drop rates on any cape but that fricken rage cape. I have run VN for over a year and just recently saw an Aoth Strike Cape drop.

No offense Fan, but mages have gotten a big buff since chapter 3. There was a little GC incident but after that you got another buff, so from a wider perspective you got it good compared to chapter 3. Enjoy being invited and extremely useful in dungeons again. If anything give mages a rotation. Cause spamming one button in boss fights is just a whole bunch of fail imo.

I guess they just hate us then. Yah, one mage piece per run, and five rogue pieces. At this rate, I will have a complete OD Jenny's set by Chapter 6.

Mind you, I am unusually grumpy this morning.

And yes, I s'pose mages should just take instance-utility and be happy. After all, we could be useless like we used to be. The crit thing is a major pain though. Ask Paz, he's been doing the math and it's pretty sad. It kinda all comes down to the slow hits and the lack of white strikes. Well, and also I think it's high magic crit resistance. Hmm. Could be they're scaling magical and physical crit resistance the same way, which would be just like Runewaker, since the whole "no white strikes and slow hits" thing would never occur to them. Surely to Bog, not one dev ever played a mage.

Both of those things could be corrected by a real rotation. But that's like asking for pie in the sky. File it under "Nevah gonna happen."

I think we should all look at war/mage as a case study for how broken mage is as a class. I mean, broken as "not functioning as intended' not as in "useless." We're not useless, but if you take mage gear and stats, put them on a melee toon- well, just ask Sasha. See your damage go *BOOM*. That's because they've never figured out what to do with a caster. Still. 5 chapters in, and they still haven't fixed our damage calculation to scale in any way. If they did, we could have a rotation.

I know, I know. Whinage. Sorry. Bad morning. Stupid RoM.

Sorry Broguey

Fan, you have every right to bring out the whinage. And yes stupid RoM. No need to explain as we all have had plenty of stoopid RoM other the past few months. A buffet of it!!!

My biggest issue with mages is that so many forgot how to play. You know all our ToSH geared mages Fan, they like to sit back on mob pulls and TS. Biggest bunch of fail I have witnessed in our ToSH is having three mages on runs and they seriously all sit back and spam TS. I can't stand that crap. So now a fail R/S has to yell at fail mages and teach em how to play their class. WTB more mages like Nyyx, kthanx.

'Rella's right. Mages seem to get more screwed with each new chapter/gear set. About the only class to have outdone us on that score are Knights.

Between having to stop dps'ing a boss so I can survive in a party where everyone else can reach negative aggro, not critting thanks to a lack of white hits and a slow strike speed, and the insane number of pre-hit buffs/pots/foods I have to use in order to do any kind of damage at all... at some point, the class itself starts to look poorly designed.

I'm starting to wonder if one of the reasons Yoman stated that accuracy had an advantage over crit was due to the increasing crit resistance on the bosses outpacing the crit rate on the sets. At least with accuracy you're doing some damage, as opposed to doing very little with a non-crit.

Where did i state that? Dont remember

And the VN rage cape only serves one purpose - make ppl go enrage!

Quoted from "brogue;533269"

Fan, you have every right to bring out the whinage. And yes stupid RoM. No need to explain as we all have had plenty of stoopid RoM other the past few months. A buffet of it!!!

My biggest issue with mages is that so many forgot how to play. You know all our ToSH geared mages Fan, they like to sit back on mob pulls and TS. Biggest bunch of fail I have witnessed in our ToSH is having three mages on runs and they seriously all sit back and spam TS. I can't stand that crap. So now a fail R/S has to yell at fail mages and teach em how to play their class. WTB more mages like Nyyx, kthanx.

Aww, that's sad. Someone was telling me, I think it was Raves, that there's one mage on another server who won't even TS spam on trash. Apparently he just uses Flame. Apparently the whole AoE thing escaped him. So, it could be worse.

Three mages in a party is almost as good as having a druid on trash, as long as the rest of the party remembers to kill the Archer, OMG. "Fandre why you no kill scout?" "'Cause I'm stunning and purging, I don't target the scout, you're a rogue, you go kill it!" Lol. We're so used to Whooty always charming the scouts that we forget sometimes, and those runs are always memorable for the sheer amount of wipage.

But how much training do you need to stun and purg? Get them the HoS macro, Broguey. Yuki is too good to use it (lol) so I have to watch and just try and time mine for when his wears off. Once most of you have ToSH weapons you can even use the stun rotation on the Angren things without too many issues, they do that nasty electrical thing and then they die.

HoS macro and candy for whoever stuns first is all you need. Make them all make one, and make em put in funny say chats, then they'll want to use it:
/say FEAR MAH DISCHARGE!
/cast Discharge
/say are you purging failmages?
/wait 2
/say Roguespawn has a tiny dagger!
/wait 2
/say NEXT ONE BETTER STUN OR THEY BUY US ALL HAMMERS!

etc.

Get your tank to add something to his "I'm pulling now" say macro, like: "Mages use your freaking stun rotation!"

They'll learn.

Quoted from "YomanROM;533273"

Where did i state that? Dont remember

And the VN rage cape only serves one purpose - make ppl go enrage!

Sadly I don't remember either, but I do remember you saying something very similar to that. Somewhere. I'll probably be able to pinpoint it after I've had my Mike's Hard Lemonade tonight.

Quoted from "LadyMacV;533270"

'Rella's right. Mages seem to get more screwed with each new chapter/gear set. About the only class to have outdone us on that score are Knights.

Between having to stop dps'ing a boss so I can survive in a party where everyone else can reach negative aggro, not critting thanks to a lack of white hits and a slow strike speed, and the insane number of pre-hit buffs/pots/foods I have to use in order to do any kind of damage at all... at some point, the class itself starts to look poorly designed.

I'm starting to wonder if one of the reasons Yoman stated that accuracy had an advantage over crit was due to the increasing crit resistance on the bosses outpacing the crit rate on the sets. At least with accuracy you're doing some damage, as opposed to doing very little with a non-crit.

Accuracy is an issue for me only when my druid isn't in party. Savage Blessing is enough to put me over the accuracy cap, and all I have is the set skill from Sardo. I use 0 wis stats. If you're really having an issue with accuracy Lady, hmmmm. Buy a druid? Well, pay one to stand outside the instance? That, to me anyway, is better than being stuck with accuracy on my gear that I would only use in ToSH. It doesn't help anywhere else. Well, it'll help in the new stuff, but then we won't need it in ToSH anymore.

Just need accuracy for bleeding-edge stuff. And that's why god invented buffs.

That's why I refused to use the Sardo set. Raksha all the way baby. WTB moar crit.

Will put your oh so eloquent words to use fan, or I can just kick em outta party till they grow a pair.

Never new Fan was such a size queen .

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;533274"

Aww, that's sad. Someone was telling me, I think it was Raves, that there's one mage on another server who won't even TS spam on trash. Apparently he just uses Flame. Apparently the whole AoE thing escaped him. So, it could be worse.

Three mages in a party is almost as good as having a druid on trash, as long as the rest of the party remembers to kill the Archer, OMG. "Fandre why you no kill scout?" "'Cause I'm stunning and purging, I don't target the scout, you're a rogue, you go kill it!" Lol. We're so used to Whooty always charming the scouts that we forget sometimes, and those runs are always memorable for the sheer amount of wipage.

But how much training do you need to stun and purg? Get them the HoS macro, Broguey. Yuki is too good to use it (lol) so I have to watch and just try and time mine for when his wears off. Once most of you have ToSH weapons you can even use the stun rotation on the Angren things without too many issues, they do that nasty electrical thing and then they die.

HoS macro and candy for whoever stuns first is all you need. Make them all make one, and make em put in funny say chats, then they'll want to use it:
/say FEAR MAH DISCHARGE!
/cast Discharge
/say are you purging failmages?
/wait 2
/say Roguespawn has a tiny dagger!
/wait 2
/say NEXT ONE BETTER STUN OR THEY BUY US ALL HAMMERS!

etc.

Get your tank to add something to his "I'm pulling now" say macro, like: "Mages use your freaking stun rotation!"

They'll learn.

No offense to you or Brogue, but aren't you being just a teensy bit harsh, based on the fact that a mage's skills are about 90% ranged in nature?

It comes naturally to us, after having spent so much time playing the game, to use ranged skills instead of the 10% of the skills we have for up close and personal damage (read: purge). Standing back and thunderstorming to take out multiple mobs makes sense (hell, I have a guildie who jumps backwards and in the middle of the jump, t-storms the mobs until dead on a bad pull.)

Sure, you can use candy on a trash pull. You can use Holy Aura (if you're m/p). You can use any number of immunes- any and all of which could just have easily saved your ass on the next boss fight, and not resulted in you having to waste yet another phoenix.

It is NOT a mage's job to run into stuff and kill it. We have melee for that.

I disagree with you LadyMacV. But I am not a mage, I only pretend to be one on my low lvl alt. WTB more mages who were around when HOS was next to impossible to clear w/o them. Kiting CCing/stuns/aoe's are the primary roll for mages on trash.

I am not hard on mages, I am hard on FAIL. I saw Nyyx come in by herself and do more dps on mobs then three mages in our guild combined. Lets just say it wasn't from single target casts or TS. BTW single targeting and TS is a great way to get yourself killed in ToSH.

Quoted from "LadyMacV;533282"

No offense to you or Brogue, but aren't you being just a teensy bit harsh, based on the fact that a mage's skills are about 90% ranged in nature?

It comes naturally to us, after having spent so much time playing the game, to use ranged skills instead of the 10% of the skills we have for up close and personal damage (read: purge). Standing back and thunderstorming to take out multiple mobs makes sense (hell, I have a guildie who jumps backwards and in the middle of the jump, t-storms the mobs until dead on a bad pull.)

Sure, you can use candy on a trash pull. You can use Holy Aura (if you're m/p). You can use any number of immunes- any and all of which could just have easily saved your ass on the next boss fight, and not resulted in you having to waste yet another phoenix.

It is NOT a mage's job to run into stuff and kill it. We have melee for that.

Individual mages should do that. The stun rotation is for when you have >2 mages in party. Well, if you have good timing and dps you could do it in a pair, but if there's only two of you, you probably have enough warriors to let them take point on trash.

But the stun rotation is immensely helpful in a low-dps party like Broguey's. You can tweak it as needed so you don't need any immunes, I just get tired of admiring the floor. It was invented in HoS which has almost exactly the same giant-pat-with-a-mob-you-need-to-prioritize setup. It's ideal, as long as you have the mages to do it. Makes trash soooo much faster.

Tstorming is fine, as long as you have the people in party to take point on trash. I Tstorm sometimes, just depends on the pull.

I dunno, I personally love the stun rotation. I call it the "trash ballet." That, and then using lightning to clean up the stragglers. Trash is a mage's time to shine. We actually get to use all the skills we have that we don't use on a boss fight.

Broguey's not being harsh exactly, he just has an oldtimer's natural scorn for people not using time-tested skill sets. And kudos on knowing a mage that tstorm kites- that was also invented in HoS, and is pro as hell. I attempt that in ToSH sometimes... right before I admire the floor some more. Personally, I use my bow and kite like a scout when that happens- and hope to god I don't have more than two on me. Paz has tried to teach me tstorm kiting- either he's a sucky teacher or I'm a poor student. Prolly both lol.

Oh, and I WTB a party that gets to the boss and actually are all ready to kill it before the two minute CD on Holy Aura is up. Never ever had that problem lol.

As Fan, the size queen says, it really is a beautiful ballet that is immensely helpful and if you are an m/r or m/s you can easily get negative aggro from having the k/p buff as well.

And Fan I have scorn for people being lazy on trash and thinking they only want to show up on the scrut during boss fights.