Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "brogue;533285"

I disagree with you LadyMacV. But I am not a mage, I only pretend to be one on my low lvl alt. WTB more mages who were around when HOS was next to impossible to clear w/o them. Kiting CCing/stuns/aoe's are the primary roll for mages on trash.

I am not hard on mages, I am hard on FAIL. I saw Nyyx come in by herself and do more dps on mobs then three mages in our guild combined. Lets just say it wasn't from single target casts or TS. BTW single targeting and TS is a great way to get yourself killed in ToSH.

Well, and Yuki would laugh at me, because this is kinda "do as I say, not as I do" stuff, since half the time on trash I'm like three miles behind the party being whisper spammed, I always get the lowest rank on the dps meter between bosses, which qualifies as "fail" but- what a mage does on trash is gonna be dictated by the party makeup.

Our parties almost always have at least three mages, so we're used to using the stun rotation. I've been on runs with Core where Paz and Cupps stand back and Tstorm, cause they have at least three warriors who absolutely rape the trash in no time. They don't need the stun rotation, the mobs are either already stunned, or the tank has so much aggro they don't have to worry about pulling off him. And Paz and Cupps are both pro enough to know when it's safe to Tstorm.

But if you're learning, if you're still in a party where they struggle on each trash pull- the stun rotation can be the difference between wiping on every other pull and wiping on just the bad pulls.

Regardless, all mages should learn the stun rotation. And if you're just basically standing at the back of the party polishing your nails (guilty!) while everyone else like, dps's and stuff, yah- people will get cranky.

Quoted from "brogue;533285"

I disagree with you LadyMacV. But I am not a mage, I only pretend to be one on my low lvl alt. WTB more mages who were around when HOS was next to impossible to clear w/o them. Kiting CCing/stuns/aoe's are the primary roll for mages on trash.

I am not hard on mages, I am hard on FAIL.

I'm not stating that mages can't kite by any means. Rather, I'm pointing out that thunderstorm has a range (horizontally, anyway). Our stunners have a range from which they get cast. Purgatory fire has a range of a different kind as an aoe (which hits everything within a range, rather than being a ranged cast). For most mages, standing away from the mobs and then hitting them is pretty much standard. Only difference in kiting is that you can't stand in one spot for much more than 2 seconds, or you'll get stomped.

Quoted from "brogue;533285"

. I saw Nyyx come in by herself and do more dps on mobs then three mages in our guild combined. Lets just say it wasn't from single target casts or TS. BTW single targeting and TS is a great way to get yourself killed in ToSH.

Brogue, you'd have no way of knowing this, but because of the number of pug runs going on around TOSH right now thanks to D3 (and a few other games)- you've run with me in there.

Granted, I wasn't in the same run you just spoke of, but yes. Nyxx is hell on wheels when it comes to trash. I've seen her die on it, too, plenty of times. Simply put, a mage (even one like Nyxx) only has so many stunners and so much damage that can be done before something gets to them. That's why we cast and then run, but for most of our spells, there is a short cast time.

Tricky thing is that for the majority of our casts, we have to stand still. Fireball and t-storm (if you're jumping) are two exceptions, so is purge.

Yes, getting a pull wrong will kill you in TOSH. In general it's going to kill you in anything above SC.

I have run with all the top mages on Reni extensively. Mystic, kaz, Nyyx, Risen in GCH and TOSH. We are talking about hundreds of mobs pulls here, so I know a good mage. It doesn't take end game t7 stated gear to know how to do a purge/discharge rotation and not kill yourself.

Quoted from "brogue;533309"

I have run with all the top mages on Reni extensively. Mystic, kaz, Nyyx, Risen in GCH and TOSH. We are talking about hundreds of mobs pulls here, so I know a good mage. It doesn't take end game t7 stated gear to know how to do a purge/discharge rotation and not kill yourself.

*Sigh*.

I don't believe I stated anything different. You seemed to want to understand why mages would be sitting back and t-storming in TOSH when they could be using a discharge rotation or a "stun-purge-stun- aoe".

Truth be told, a lot of mages simply don't want to attack trash. Fand herself admitted to that. Why? Because the moment a warrior or tank stops holding aggro on them, they're going to make a beeline for the biggest aggro producer. In general, that aggro producer is labeled "mage". Tanks will run up and hit a trash mob with one aggro producer- after that, it's a warrior or mage who is next in line, thanks to negative aggro on almost every other class.

If there's no warrior, then almost by default, a mage now has to wipe out several mobs and hope they can survive before it gets to them. In a party, with more than one mage, it isn't an issue. If there is ONLY one mage in the party... well. You can guess what happens. Either they kill the mobs and dance because they're alive for the boss to kill them, or they get acquainted with the floor.

Ick, y'all are making me want to just figure out a way to go R/Wrr or Wrr/R. Is there ANYTHING good about being a Mage? At ALL?

Quoted from "toatanu;533325"

Ick, y'all are making me want to just figure out a way to go R/Wrr or Wrr/R. Is there ANYTHING good about being a Mage? At ALL?

0.o Have you looked at just how many mages there are posting in these forums? Let alone running around on your server/s?

I couldn't play anything else as my main toon, really. I love that I CAN wipe out a bunch of mobs in one or two hits (albeit it takes a few more in TOSH-H for me, personally). I get to be regarded as the biggest threat in a party by a boss. I can tank lower level instances, kite, and even off-heal. Parties love me for the buffs I can grant to them. I get to do enough damage to hit like a mack truck (albeit there's been a noticeable drop in crits for most mages between GCH and TOSH), and on top of all of that, I light up like a roman candle while buffing. The cool factor is too high to ignore. In short, there isn't a better utility class out there, really.

Sure, the mage class absolutely has problems. You won't find a class that doesn't, in one form or another. (Except maybe R/S).

Quoted from "LadyMacV;533319"

*Sigh*.

I don't believe I stated anything different. You seemed to want to understand why mages would be sitting back and t-storming in TOSH when they could be using a discharge rotation or a "stun-purge-stun- aoe".

Truth be told, a lot of mages simply don't want to attack trash. Fand herself admitted to that. Why? Because the moment a warrior or tank stops holding aggro on them, they're going to make a beeline for the biggest aggro producer. In general, that aggro producer is labeled "mage". Tanks will run up and hit a trash mob with one aggro producer- after that, it's a warrior or mage who is next in line, thanks to negative aggro on almost every other class.

If there's no warrior, then almost by default, a mage now has to wipe out several mobs and hope they can survive before it gets to them. In a party, with more than one mage, it isn't an issue. If there is ONLY one mage in the party... well. You can guess what happens. Either they kill the mobs and dance because they're alive for the boss to kill them, or they get acquainted with the floor.

Hmmmm. I absolutely want to attack trash. I am like the trashwoman. I glory in trash.

But I have a small attention span. I get distracted if we have to wait too long for the tank to pull, and I try and catch up with my reading, or 50 people whisper me at once, etc etc. I don't stand back off trash out of a fear of dying. I can see how that would be reasonable, but I'd rather take a dirtnap than stand there.

You need to get in there to get a feel for the thing. You need to know your tank. Our tank is obsessive about trash pulls. He waits for them to path to the optimal pull position, and that can be nerve wracking, and it means that sometimes I get distracted waiting. Sometimes I wish we had the kamikazi BANZAI!!1! type tank that just dives into a pat and attacks it. Horo isn't like that though, he likes to finesse it.

When he does finally pull, you have to stand off for a second and make sure he has them all. If you go too early, you die. If you wait til they get their aoe's off, you can safely run in to stun. Or, you do what I do, and hit HA or candy. It saves time. If I cared about my cd's and my candy bill I would watch more carefully and be patient. I dunno, it's experience I guess. The more trash dirtnaps you take, the better you learn to trust your instincts. You develop your instincts.

It's frustrating to have a mage in party who just stands in the back and watches. Yes, they'll live more than me. Everyone lives more than me lol. But I dunno, I think it's better to die some than to be too careful.

I'm not attacking you, Lady, or saying that's a "failmage" way of doing things. I carry my self-applied "failmage" label proudly. What I do know is that using the stun-rotation when you can is an elegant and delightful way of dealing with large trash patrols. I enjoy it. It's fun. Dying a few times in exchange for that fun is worth it to me personally. I enjoy a trash pat much more than Jenny Giant, for example, where all I do is burn for a bit, try and stay away from Piercing, and cleanse the people doing the actual strat that I can't do cause I lag so bad I always miss the oil buff. That twit makes me go to 0 fps more than any other boss in that place.

Anyway, if you feel like it Lady, next time you're in ToSH, try embracing your inner trash-goddess. It's more fun than it sounds.

Quoted from "toatanu;533325"

Ick, y'all are making me want to just figure out a way to go R/Wrr or Wrr/R. Is there ANYTHING good about being a Mage? At ALL?

Robes are sexy. Well, on chick toons anyway.

And what LadyMacV said.

But it was the robes that got me.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;533332"

Robes are sexy. Well, on chick toons anyway.

And what LadyMacV said.

But it was the robes that got me.

Go R/S, agg leather to robes, problem solved.

That's why I have an unmentioned female alt that's a Priest. But..... ehhhhh. If I can get enough XP to get my Rogue to 30 to get Fang Ritual without grinding my hand off, then my opinion MIGHT change. But I hate just hitting "7" (lightning) then "5" (flame) repeatedly. But maybe 1 (FR) then 7 then 4(CF) THEN 5 and so on...

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;533329"

Hmmmm. I absolutely want to attack trash. I am like the trashwoman. I glory in trash.

But I have a small attention span. I get distracted if we have to wait too long for the tank to pull, and I try and catch up with my reading, or 50 people whisper me at once, etc etc. I don't stand back off trash out of a fear of dying. I can see how that would be reasonable, but I'd rather take a dirtnap than stand there.

You need to get in there to get a feel for the thing. You need to know your tank. Our tank is obsessive about trash pulls. He waits for them to path to the optimal pull position, and that can be nerve wracking, and it means that sometimes I get distracted waiting. Sometimes I wish we had the kamikazi BANZAI!!1! type tank that just dives into a pat and attacks it. Horo isn't like that though, he likes to finesse it.

When he does finally pull, you have to stand off for a second and make sure he has them all. If you go too early, you die. If you wait til they get their aoe's off, you can safely run in to stun. Or, you do what I do, and hit HA or candy. It saves time. If I cared about my cd's and my candy bill I would watch more carefully and be patient. I dunno, it's experience I guess. The more trash dirtnaps you take, the better you learn to trust your instincts. You develop your instincts.

It's frustrating to have a mage in party who just stands in the back and watches. Yes, they'll live more than me. Everyone lives more than me lol. But I dunno, I think it's better to die some than to be too careful.

I'm not attacking you, Lady, or saying that's a "failmage" way of doing things. I carry my self-applied "failmage" label proudly. What I do know is that using the stun-rotation when you can is an elegant and delightful way of dealing with large trash patrols. I enjoy it. It's fun. Dying a few times in exchange for that fun is worth it to me personally. I enjoy a trash pat much more than Jenny Giant, for example, where all I do is burn for a bit, try and stay away from Piercing, and cleanse the people doing the actual strat that I can't do cause I lag so bad I always miss the oil buff. That twit makes me go to 0 fps more than any other boss in that place.

Anyway, if you feel like it Lady, next time you're in ToSH, try embracing your inner trash-goddess. It's more fun than it sounds.

I'll admit, my attitude might be a wee bit twisted towards the "I don't want to" side. It may or may not have something to do with the way my guild runs things, which tends to amount to "Let's go pull the whole hallway, and the one after that, and see who survives. Oh, by the way, the tank/s just pulled without any warning. Have fun!"

I've repeatedly warned one tank that when he does that, he gets zero help from me. I'd rather let his gear take massive dura loss as a little lesson about what happens when you pull and don't warn the dps. Thus far, though, the message has only half-worked.

well for the record i dont TS much in tosh or gch. im always trying to get all the instants and stuff to roll off smoothly or faster for siege etc...so always tinkering. if we haz a tiny tosh run i do whatever ppl want...dc lock, ts, 1+ mage nuke specific mobs in order..etc. but our usual runs the warriors lay waste ><

i do miss the skill based trash :/ not even ts kiting which was intense but not stupidly suicidal like alternating lightning, static field and ts kiting in kt back in ch3. that definitely woke you up quickly.

oh and ts kiting was much much earlier than hos...it just became more noticed there i think. tagan was perfecting it well before clops/kalin. when he solo'd ant queen at like lev 51 when it still took 6 tanks and ~30 ppl was kinda insane. there were so many adds im surprised they fit in that little room Oo

Tagan taught me to kite too...I loved it. M/k ftw at that time. Mage is getting boring again... but hey if u want to complain about crits..try being a battlemonk.

Well, now that I ranted on the forums and a bit in guild our mages are actually useful on trash now.

Now, what every guild should get is two wd/s and watch then mow through ToSH mobs like butter. Frantic Briar is crazy OP .

<3 wd/s...hell just park one in my party and he can go afk.

once i get that dmg buff )) whats 10% added to my 2.2k dps? hmm