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Saturday, September 8th 2012, 6:05pm

Knight as dps?

Hello all.
I was playing this game with r/s but recently i tried knight and i liked it but i wanna be dps. So basicaly i wanna ask is knight as a class playable as a dps and if it is with which class as second? Also would be helpfull if you can add which stats should i use for it.
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Saturday, September 8th 2012, 6:31pm

No, a Knight can not be used as a DPS class.
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Saturday, September 8th 2012, 6:53pm

the more close u can be a good dps is k/w only for the 2hand weapon mastery event that u dps gonna be the most low dps event with the same gear at any end game dps. Is fun in pvp but no work to well in pve.
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Saturday, September 8th 2012, 8:17pm

The very best DPS Knight is still the worst DPS in any situation. K/w is the best you can hope for in a knight for DPS and even that Weapon mastery is gimped. Wardens and even Champion have better DPS as a Tank class.
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Saturday, September 8th 2012, 8:31pm

Quoted from "squirrlee;568883"

The very best DPS Knight is still the worst DPS in any situation. K/w is the best you can hope for in a knight for DPS and even that Weapon mastery is gimped. Wardens and even Champion have better DPS as a Tank class.


The worst eh? I wouldn't say worst but it's definetly not competitive, but I mean you still have a bunch of gimped classes to compare it to like P/W D/W (as melle) D/R etc. There's definetly more to work with with a Knight, but you're going to have terrible terrible problems managing your aggro if you do start putting out any dps.

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Saturday, September 8th 2012, 8:55pm

It sounds like you might be interested in off-tanking. Off tanking is simply being able to take the hits still, minor aggro generation, and decent dps. The combos most players use for those are currently the w/k, r/k, and wardens. I am not as familiar with the champions, so if any champions could input the off tankers, thx.
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Saturday, September 8th 2012, 11:21pm

Quoted from "Kefkai;568885"

The worst eh? I wouldn't say worst but it's definetly not competitive, but I mean you still have a bunch of gimped classes to compare it to like P/W D/W (as melle) D/R etc. There's definetly more to work with with a Knight, but you're going to have terrible terrible problems managing your aggro if you do start putting out any dps.


I'll tell you one thing about Aggro and issues managing it as a DPS. Drop the Hatred rune and toss on a Recon then ignore all aggro skills, as in don't use them. Skills Like Holy Strike, WWS, Threaten and Hatred Strike......I don't see much of an aggro issue in that situation. Knight have to use all their aggro skills not to mention any gear or sets skills to hold aggro now, remove them and I can't see how a knight could take aggro lead, much less hold it against a true DPS class.

Druids and Priests don't bring much to the DPS table aside from P/s so I wouldn't consider then as a real DPS option, same as Knight.
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Sunday, September 16th 2012, 6:59pm

Knights simply are not meant to be DPS their job is to hold aggro and get dura loss. Expecting a "TANK" to be anything except that is silly i mean i know we have a dual class system but it doesnt appeal to knights being anything except tanks.
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Sunday, September 16th 2012, 8:03pm

Quoted from "xMagus;569910"

Knights simply are not meant to be DPS their job is to hold aggro and get dura loss. Expecting a "TANK" to be anything except that is silly i mean i know we have a dual class system but it doesnt appeal to knights being anything except tanks.


so what about wardens?
ability for plate, lots of def buffs, tank, right?
but they have the highest dps possibility also. kinda weird.

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Sunday, September 16th 2012, 8:42pm

Quoted from "doodoobird;569915"

so what about wardens?
ability for plate, lots of def buffs, tank, right?
but they have the highest dps possibility also. kinda weird.


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Sunday, September 16th 2012, 9:48pm

Yeah I like how every time Knights asked for More DPS they get told how OP they would be in siege and unbalanced. Yet we have Warden/warrior, Warrior/k and Champions that can DPS. Yet I hear nothing in the form of QQ about it, but I bet if knights started talking about MORE DPS it would be the same old story about how Knights are tanks and don't need to DPS and they would be OP in Siege.
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Sunday, September 16th 2012, 10:34pm

After much testing, knights built in chain/leather actualy do very well in pvp. No we have no where near the dps of the dpsers, but we have better tricks over all. Rotatio rotation rotation is the way knights have to play and screwing up your rotation will most likely lose you the fight. This is a tricky subject because everyone will keep telling you the same old "Knights Can't PVP Their DPS Is Never High Enough." I can proove them wrong fairly easy now and i can easily win against anyone clost to my gearing. Just come on over to Indigo I will show you the rotations to be used on each class/combo.

To the original poster, no. No knight can dps well enough to be considered dps. It is a sad truth, but it is the truth.

Good luck all and RW give knights more dps please.

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Monday, September 17th 2012, 11:24am

Quoted from "doodoobird;569915"

so what about wardens?
ability for plate, lots of def buffs, tank, right?
but they have the highest dps possibility also. kinda weird.


Wardens are the class runewaker still isnt sure what they do yet or suppose to do lol
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Monday, September 17th 2012, 11:59am

Warden/Warrior would be about the closest combination you can get right now for being an off tank dps. We have the plate wearing ability, the pdef increases, the immune skills and since the changes to the warden class, most of the skills are more dps than they are used for heavy hitting except Charged Chop.

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Monday, September 17th 2012, 5:23pm

Warden/Warrior seems to be the most boring DPS class. In chain and statted for damage most attack skills cannot be used because of aggro multipliers, two hits with them and you are tanking.

Wd/W would be a one button DD : Charged Chop --> Charged Chop --> Charged Chop ............

But technically it is a great combination for the off tank role until RW "fixes" Charged Chop again, then the Wd/W in DPS role becomes as useless as it was in chapter IV.
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Monday, September 17th 2012, 9:20pm

Seems like no one has put in the Champion perspective yet, so I'll do that.. But first let me just echo what most of the posters have already said here: I've never seen a knight that can do respectable DPS. If you want a "melee DPS with high survivability" pick something like Champ/Rogue, Warr/Knight, or Wd/Warr.

As a champion, you can kind of pick either DPS or tank and stat accordingly. I chose tank so I can only speculate that Champ will be lower DPS than some other pure DPS classes but have high survivability. Built as a tank, they seem to be up there pretty close to knights. Just a bit more offense and a bit less defense. As an example, only about half my gear is endgame & statted and I buff to 30K Patk, 170K HP & 220k Pdef (an endgame knight should be something like 220k+ HP and 450k+ Pdef when buffed -- I think champ can get around that too, but I'm not there yet).

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Monday, September 17th 2012, 11:21pm

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Seems like no one has put in the Champion perspective yet, so I'll do that.. But first let me just echo what most of the posters have already said here: I've never seen a knight that can do respectable DPS. If you want a "melee DPS with high survivability" pick something like Champ/Rogue, Warr/Knight, or Wd/Warr.

As a champion, you can kind of pick either DPS or tank and stat accordingly. I chose tank so I can only speculate that Champ will be lower DPS than some other pure DPS classes but have high survivability. Built as a tank, they seem to be up there pretty close to knights. Just a bit more offense and a bit less defense. As an example, only about half my gear is endgame & statted and I buff to 30K Patk, 170K HP & 220k Pdef (an endgame knight should be something like 220k+ HP and 450k+ Pdef when buffed -- I think champ can get around that too, but I'm not there yet).



I also have a Champion/Rogue and I can agree that they have more DPS ability. Mine is only 46/46 but it is able to do things my Knight couldn't at the same level. My knight needed to be 5 level higher or better to do the same things my champion has done. The one area I see Champion is lacking is AOE/CC but so far that's about it. This toon is pretty well "Twinked" but my Knight was running around in statted gear at the same level too.
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Thursday, September 20th 2012, 4:32pm

Yeah, it seems as if they removed a need for knights unless you are running raid content to hold more than a 3 mob pull. Knights can't DPS without a weapon mastery like every other class in the game has.

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Tuesday, October 2nd 2012, 11:10pm

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I play K/S and think while it is clearly not the best class in pvp. It is certainly possible to be competetive. I don't use sw-specific gear, but I do stat a lot more patk/crit/hp than alot of tanks since I think parry and dodge are pretty much a joke. Don't give up on dps, in this game it's burn or die. Tanks worry about parry/dodge/pdef all that stuff way to much, staying alive is about using skill not those defensive stats, bosses don't hit hard in this game against your pdef period.

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Wednesday, October 3rd 2012, 10:51pm

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I play K/S and think while it is clearly not the best class in pvp. It is certainly possible to be competetive. I don't use sw-specific gear, but I do stat a lot more patk/crit/hp than alot of tanks since I think parry and dodge are pretty much a joke. Don't give up on dps, in this game it's burn or die. Tanks worry about parry/dodge/pdef all that stuff way to much, staying alive is about using skill not those defensive stats, bosses don't hit hard in this game against your pdef period.

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I agree with you leonkain, too many knights focus too much on parry/dodge/pdeff. I think the largest reason has to do with wanting to run endgame content as early as possible with the minimal gearing needed. I have not had much experience with k/s in pvp, but i know for fact that k/w, k/r, and k/p do very well when built right. The largest problem is, plate armor. Too many think that just because you can wear it means that they should. If you want to deal some damage and do well in pvp, where chain/leather and use warden chain mail not warrior.
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