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Thursday, September 13th 2012, 1:28am

Major damage differences

Depending on if I am playing mage or warlock, some of the warlock general skills do substantially different damage amounts.

Weakening weave curse on warlock side hits bunnies in AKR for 5k, yet on mage side it hits for 134k.

Soul Pain is much the same way, substantially less damage on warlock side vs mage side. I also noticed on mage when soul pain hits it does a big hit, then begins to tick. On warlock there is no big hit at the beginning, only the ticks.

So my question is... does anyone have a real explanation why the major variance in damage? All gear is identical (same gear for both sides), no buffs that don't transfer over to both classes. I've got all the elites for both sides.

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Thursday, September 13th 2012, 1:58am

The only thing I can think is Pure Soul and Wisdom are not stacking the same on both combos. It seems to stack on Mage/wl, but not on Warlock/m ? It is the only thing that I could see that would make such a difference general skills, that would effect both combos.

Try testing the skill on Warlock only with no secondary.....that way if the damage is the same as on Warlcok/m then you know Wisdom is not having an effect on the warlock main.
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Thursday, September 13th 2012, 2:25am

Quoted from "squirrlee;569498"

The only thing I can think is Pure Soul and Wisdom are not stacking the same on both combos. It seems to stack on Mage/wl, but not on Warlock/m ? It is the only thing that I could see that would make such a difference general skills, that would effect both combos.

Try testing the skill on Warlock only with no secondary.....that way if the damage is the same as on Warlcok/m then you know Wisdom is not having an effect on the warlock main.


All my stats are identical on both classes. So it's either not working at all, or working on both (I would guess anyway). I'll test your suggestion and see what happens.

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Thursday, September 13th 2012, 7:15am

http://www.runesdatabase.com/skill/498745/industry-fire

That elite makes Soul Pain inflict extra damage for M/Wl.

Not sure about whatever difference you're noticing with Weakening, though. Considering it does dark damage, it should do less on mage than it does on warlock due to the lack of dark mastery.

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Friday, September 14th 2012, 8:32am

Quoted from "effervescent;569517"

http://www.runesdatabase.com/skill/498745/industry-fire

That elite makes Soul Pain inflict extra damage for M/Wl.

Not sure about whatever difference you're noticing with Weakening, though. Considering it does dark damage, it should do less on mage than it does on warlock due to the lack of dark mastery.


The issue I am having isn't that I don't know about the elite. It's that with all the same gear and buffs, same magic attack soul pain on warlock does maybe 1/20th of the damage as it does on mage. The elite wont account for that much of a difference. Weakening is just the opposite. It does substantially more on warlock than on mage. Same everything.

I can understand a damage difference due to the elites and such, but when the same skill hits with one class for 100k+ and 5k on the other class, something is broke.

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Friday, September 14th 2012, 9:39am

Warlocks have a dark damage passive, making dark spells such as Weakening do more damage. Mages don't.

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Friday, September 14th 2012, 1:39pm

That's juat it....the OP is doing more damage on Mage than Warlock.
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Friday, September 14th 2012, 1:54pm

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That's juat it....the OP is doing more damage on Mage than Warlock.



Only with Soul Pain, the (OP) Elite is responsible for this Extra burst damage and fire based damage...

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Friday, September 14th 2012, 3:30pm

If you look at wording of skills you can figure it out,are both classes the same level?i believe that the damage output is dependant on caster lvl and target lvl.i will investigate when i get home drom work.

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Friday, September 14th 2012, 8:18pm

Quoted from "squirrlee;569684"

That's juat it....the OP is doing more damage on Mage than Warlock.


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Weakening is just the opposite. It does substantially more on warlock than on mage.


^ Not on Weakening, apparently, though the original post seemed to say otherwise. Like I said, warlocks have a dark damage passive.

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Friday, September 14th 2012, 11:54pm

Ok, so to answer some of the other posters. Both mage and warlock are 72. I wear the exact same gear for both classes. I know each side has an elite that increases damage for both skills in question. What my question is, how is the damage from soul pain used on MAGE so vastly different from the damage it does used on WARLOCK side.

The reverse is true for Weakening weave curse. The damage on WARLOCK is exponentially higher than it is on MAGE side.

All things being the same Ie gear, matk, weapon, buffs (only use the matk housemaid buff), pet out for both classes, how is the damage for the same skill varying by 75-90k depending on the class its used on? Please don't say it's the elites because if the elites are responsible for that much of a damage difference, something is very broken.

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Saturday, September 15th 2012, 3:56am

Heres your answer. When you're mage/warlock, Industry Fire turns Soul Pain into fire damage and your mage only passive Fire Knowledge increases fire damage. At lvl 50 it gives 63% more damage for fire spells. Also i believe all fire spells in this game do more damage than any other type in general.

When you're warlock/mage as far as i can see Weakening Weave Curse is dark damage so its boosted by Ill Will, increasing dark damage, which your mage primary wouldnt get.

On a side note and using Romwiki which i'm not sure if its correct, it doesnt say if Ill Will stops at lvl 50 or not but at lvl 50 it only gives about 40% more dark damage according to my calculations.

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Saturday, September 15th 2012, 2:26pm

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Heres your answer. When you're mage/warlock, Industry Fire turns Soul Pain into fire damage and your mage only passive Fire Knowledge increases fire damage. At lvl 50 it gives 63% more damage for fire spells. Also i believe all fire spells in this game do more damage than any other type in general.

When you're warlock/mage as far as i can see Weakening Weave Curse is dark damage so its boosted by Ill Will, increasing dark damage, which your mage primary wouldnt get.

On a side note and using Romwiki which i'm not sure if its correct, it doesnt say if Ill Will stops at lvl 50 or not but at lvl 50 it only gives about 40% more dark damage according to my calculations.


This is the answer you are looking for. And no Ill Will doesn't cap at 50 it caps at lvl cap. I'll come back and tell you what the increase is in Dark Damage at lvl 64.

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Saturday, September 15th 2012, 2:31pm

Here is my question, is the dark damage increase on warlock working? If so what kind of increase are you getting, I have a TP reset stone on my warlock so I may just test it. But it does seem to me compared to mage Warlock does less damage.