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Monday, November 5th 2012, 9:54pm

Vampire Arrows....

Is Vampire Arrows DoT still being scaled off mainhand weapon dps...? I'm sure many scouts (those that are left) would agree that this is very annoying and disheartening. Any ideas if they'll fix this (if ever)?:(

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Monday, November 5th 2012, 9:59pm

Scout primary since chapter 2. Its not annoying nor disheartening.

To request a fix would be to suggest that its broken.

Its not broken, it goes off your mainhand weapon physical damage.

The hit itself is based off your ranged, the bleed off your mainhand. The only situation I would think this would be a disadvantage in would be if you did not have a mainhand weapon at all... which is just silly.

If you want more bleeds, get a stronger mainhand or plus your mainhand up further. Simple.
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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 12:24am

Quoted from "flyingltj;576282"

Scout primary since chapter 2. Its not annoying nor disheartening.

To request a fix would be to suggest that its broken.

Its not broken, it goes off your mainhand weapon physical damage.

The hit itself is based off your ranged, the bleed off your mainhand. The only situation I would think this would be a disadvantage in would be if you did not have a mainhand weapon at all... which is just silly.

If you want more bleeds, get a stronger mainhand or plus your mainhand up further. Simple.


Actually scouts are disadvantaged because every other physical damage based class will hit for much more damage with VA because of weapon masteries which doesn't really make sense (ie any class with scout secondary) though the only class that it really matters on is S/R, possibly S/D, I don't keep up very much with scout primaries besides the main good ones, S/Wd and S/K.

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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 11:32am

You do have to remember that this is a General skill - not only for Scouts. For example changing the bleed calculation would boost Scouts and nerf W/S.

Not that I am saying per se that this a bad thing, but that it is a balancing issue, not a broken skill.

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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 1:36pm

really? I mean, reallllllly?

First off, what phoneface said-it's not broken.

Second off, what katalanork said-you are whining for a nerf to all x/s combos for what equates to a super minor boost to a dot for s/x.

3rd off, asking for a major change to the bleed calcuations code to favor scouts(really just you)...*insert "are you kidding me" meme here*

4th off, what phone said(and not so politely)-stop being lazy/cheap and plus/tier your mainhand
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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 5:29pm

Quoted from "camagic;576367"


4th off, what phone said(and not so politely)-stop being lazy/cheap and plus/tier your mainhand


I agree with everything said here, except lol @ "tier your mainhand" for a scout primary :D Bottom line is, the vamp bleed is better for x/s than s/x, but that's fine and not the reason why scouts should be QQ'ing, there are much bigger reasons.

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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 11:54pm

Quoted from "shopguy;576383"

I agree with everything said here, except lol @ "tier your mainhand" for a scout primary :D Bottom line is, the vamp bleed is better for x/s than s/x, but that's fine and not the reason why scouts should be QQ'ing, there are much bigger reasons.

Yeah like them taking away serenity, the dex mod on bosses, putting a cd on autoshot, a f'n cd on blood arrow, and every damn skill triggering gcd...there was no attempt to balance scouts just one to stifle the whiners...so yeah we have bigger things to complain about lol :p
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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 12:36am

SCOUTS REALLY NEED TO BE FIXED I MEAN REALLY THEY DONT DO ANY DPS EVEN IF YOU STAT THEM RIGHT ITS COMPLETE BOGUS AND CLASSIST WE NEED TO BE STRONGER AND STRONGER THAN BEFORE AND WE NEED DEX MOD BECOZ LETS FACE IT ROGUES GET MORE PA THAN SCOUTS BECAUSE THEY GET 1.3PA PER DEX ITS NOT FAIR AND IT SHOULD BE CHANGED SO SCOUTS ARE GOOD AT EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME

[video=youtube;fa5RPG84IsE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa5RPG84IsE[/video]

Scouts are fine.


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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 1:52am

Quoted from "bleedingblak;576458"

SCOUTS REALLY NEED TO BE FIXED I MEAN REALLY THEY DONT DO ANY DPS EVEN IF YOU STAT THEM RIGHT ITS COMPLETE BOGUS AND CLASSIST WE NEED TO BE STRONGER AND STRONGER THAN BEFORE AND WE NEED DEX MOD BECOZ LETS FACE IT ROGUES GET MORE PA THAN SCOUTS BECAUSE THEY GET 1.3PA PER DEX ITS NOT FAIR AND IT SHOULD BE CHANGED SO SCOUTS ARE GOOD AT EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME

[video=youtube;fa5RPG84IsE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa5RPG84IsE[/video]

Scouts are fine.


that video doesnt prove much... most of its dmg is probably from reflected or piercing or gryphon aoeing the adds and we already know s/wd is decent dps compared to others but wut about other scouts

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 2:05am

Quoted from "bleedingblak;576458"

SCOUTS REALLY NEED TO BE FIXED I MEAN REALLY THEY DONT DO ANY DPS EVEN IF YOU STAT THEM RIGHT ITS COMPLETE BOGUS AND CLASSIST WE NEED TO BE STRONGER AND STRONGER THAN BEFORE AND WE NEED DEX MOD BECOZ LETS FACE IT ROGUES GET MORE PA THAN SCOUTS BECAUSE THEY GET 1.3PA PER DEX ITS NOT FAIR AND IT SHOULD BE CHANGED SO SCOUTS ARE GOOD AT EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME


Scouts are fine.

Thats cuz you wasted 8 seconds of crit pot and 4 seconds of AR leeching wound attack ;P trololol

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 6:51am

If a video like that poved anything, I'm sure we'd see 100s of the opposite. And yah, s/wd might be the one exception, doesn't mean class isn't broken... especially not since we can't change race. I'd say more but I'm in KBNH buffing the rogues with my vamp and target lock and looking pretty.

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 8:18am

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that video doesnt prove much... most of its dmg is probably from reflected or piercing or gryphon aoeing the adds and we already know s/wd is decent dps compared to others but wut about other scouts


what about other rogues.


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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 2:02pm

What about every class in the game? They all have a couple good combos and then everything else doesn't do as well

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Saturday, December 1st 2012, 10:44am

Quoted from "bleedingblak;576458"

SCOUTS REALLY NEED TO BE FIXED I MEAN REALLY THEY DONT DO ANY DPS EVEN IF YOU STAT THEM RIGHT ITS COMPLETE BOGUS AND CLASSIST WE NEED TO BE STRONGER AND STRONGER THAN BEFORE AND WE NEED DEX MOD BECOZ LETS FACE IT ROGUES GET MORE PA THAN SCOUTS BECAUSE THEY GET 1.3PA PER DEX ITS NOT FAIR AND IT SHOULD BE CHANGED SO SCOUTS ARE GOOD AT EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME

[video=youtube;fa5RPG84IsE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa5RPG84IsE[/video]

Scouts are fine.


Like others have said, that video doesn't prove anything. If you aren't a S/WD(or to a much lesser extent S/R)you might as well reroll your scout.

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Saturday, December 1st 2012, 6:21pm

this whole thread is funny...
for one, as a scout skill, vamp arrow shud at least have some if it's DoT damage based of it's bow, but thats not gamebreaking for scouts(and i'm not complaining that it needs to be fixed)...i mainly use VA just for the initial hit(which is not too shabby damage compared to other skills) and to make it so my SPA (s/d elite) will stun the enemy...thats it, other than that VA is a waste of my focus that could be used better by target area or something...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Saturday, December 1st 2012, 6:40pm

Quoted from "manc34bos;579288"

Like others have said, that video doesn't prove anything. If you aren't a S/WD(or to a much lesser extent S/R)you might as well reroll your scout.


That's very true... but it's easier for s/r to do it than s/wd. Would be cool to see an all warden group trash KBN hard... wouldn't have to worry about adds random aggro if everyone in party could take the hits + do decent DPS. I'm over the QQ phase though, it's much easier to just go with the flow, reroll, quit, or w/e that means for each individual.

..besides the more important QQ is the cost to gear in this game. If it wasn't so expensive, would be easier for us to reroll and play all of the various classes. It wouldn't suck so much if you spent $20 on your s/m only to find out you go from OP to fail with one game patch (aka chapter 4).. when you spent $200+ it kinda stings a bit :(

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Monday, December 3rd 2012, 12:13am

Quoted from "shopguy;579315"

That's very true... but it's easier for s/r to do it than s/wd. Would be cool to see an all warden group trash KBN hard... wouldn't have to worry about adds random aggro if everyone in party could take the hits + do decent DPS. I'm over the QQ phase though, it's much easier to just go with the flow, reroll, quit, or w/e that means for each individual.

..besides the more important QQ is the cost to gear in this game. If it wasn't so expensive, would be easier for us to reroll and play all of the various classes. It wouldn't suck so much if you spent $20 on your s/m only to find out you go from OP to fail with one game patch (aka chapter 4).. when you spent $200+ it kinda stings a bit :(


Yeah, just saying for the new players who are starting the game. Don't roll any Scout other than S/wd if you want to be up there/tops in dps. If it wasn't for me getting a friend's P/S gears, I probably wouldn't be playing rom. Spent to much on making an endgame dps class only to find out my class won't be anywhere near other classes in dps. The DPS of my 75k patt S/W in KBN norm/hard is laughable compared to other classes.
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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 11:05pm

Last week I tested my S/K out to see if it's worth rebuilding and the answer is simply a no. PVP is a maybe but then why make something great for a buggy beta phased part of the game. The bottom line is Scouts need something done to them but then again I'm not holding my breath. I hear Rogues, Mages, Warriors (and let's not forget P/S aka Iceblade button smasher) laughing all the time with one shotting equally or better gear players. So sad they don't remember all their qq'ing when arrows reigned the sky. I'm not asking to be broken, I quit because of that, I'm asking for balance. If I'm willing to PAY in a PAY TO PLAY format then unleash the hounds and fix the balance issues.
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Wednesday, December 5th 2012, 6:42am

It is sad that they smashed the scouts so badly, they are by far the worst off dps class now overall now, but that doesn't mean that the other classes are all sunshine and rainbows. There are so many class combos for each class that are just junk it's ridiculous. Unfortunately, scouts have more than the others. Don't hold your breath on a balancing of that though, scouts have already had their "balance".

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Thursday, December 6th 2012, 10:44pm

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Yeah, just saying for the new players who are starting the game. Don't roll any Scout other than S/wd if you want to be up there/tops in dps. If it wasn't for me getting a friend's P/S gears, I probably wouldn't be playing rom. Spent to much on making an endgame dps class only to find out my class won't be anywhere near other classes in dps. The DPS of my 75k patt S/W in KBN norm/hard is laughable compared to other classes.



Thats becuz 75k pa is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too low for kbn my friend sorry. scouts that i roll with go into kbn hard mode with 90k to 105k unbuffed pa, and they dont destroy the scrut of course, but its respectable dps and nothing to complain about. Now dont forget when these guys buff up they are sitting between 120k to 135k ish WITH DAMAGE FOOD. soo theres ur problem! lol you would have to use pa food maybe more to match these scouts using damage food.
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