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Saturday, November 17th 2012, 5:07pm

Hybrid DPS warmage?

It is no secret that w/m has been a class that is either all mdamag or all pdamage. You could never stack enuf str/pattk and int/mattk (don’t forget stam) to make our pdamage and mdamage significant. But then chapter 4 came along and the w/m got a large damage increase especially in the area of electric attack/lava weapon (skills that activate upon white hits). And recently came the level 60 elite w/m skill lightning burn weapon. It basically gives us the ability to cast electric attack and lava weapon simultaneously after a white hit. The magical damage an end-game geared w/m can do now is HUGE. I am a 75/72 w/m and do 3 to 4 times the dps of other ppl I know. Some ppl say this makes the warmage in need of a nerf. Some say it makes the w/m boring as a 1-button combo. I say neither. I say we take some of that excess mdamage and attempt to make a decent hybrid dps w/m by replacing some of the int/mattk with str/pattk. We could even throw in some chainmail. My guess would be 40/60 int/str (and/or mattk/pattk). I love a challenge. I want to know if there are any lvl 60 or higher players out there that have the elite that have tried this to any degree? I plan on trying this with my next armor/gear redo. Idk when that will be as I don’t need new gear atm. I will keep you posted and welcome any constructive advice or cautions. It would be cool to have a w/m that could use his physical skills along with decent mdamage or at least decent mdamage that can be used to fight while you build rage.
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Saturday, November 17th 2012, 5:42pm

Quoted from "rawnblaed;577533"

It is no secret that w/m has been a class that is either all mdamag or all pdamage. You could never stack enuf str/pattk and int/mattk (don’t forget stam) to make our pdamage and mdamage significant. But then chapter 4 came along and the w/m got a large damage increase especially in the area of electric attack/lava weapon (skills that activate upon white hits). And recently came the level 60 elite w/m skill lightning burn weapon. It basically gives us the ability to cast electric attack and lava weapon simultaneously after a white hit. The magical damage an end-game geared w/m can do now is HUGE. I am a 75/72 w/m and do 3 to 4 times the dps of other ppl I know. Some ppl say this makes the warmage in need of a nerf. Some say it makes the w/m boring as a 1-button combo. I say neither. I say we take some of that excess mdamage and attempt to make a decent hybrid dps w/m by replacing some of the int/mattk with str/pattk. We could even throw in some chainmail. My guess would be 40/60 int/str (and/or mattk/pattk). I love a challenge. I want to know if there are any lvl 60 or higher players out there that have the elite that have tried this to any degree? I plan on trying this with my next armor/gear redo. Idk when that will be as I don’t need new gear atm. I will keep you posted and welcome any constructive advice or cautions. It would be cool to have a w/m that could use his physical skills along with decent mdamage or at least decent mdamage that can be used to fight while you build rage.


In other words, you just want to kill the endgame of Warrior/mages making them to do lousy damage. I am going to imagine you havent been playing long and you lack of knowledge, otherwise you SHOULD know hybrid classes on this game suck far and beyond, the game itself doesnt support them. Warrior/mage is a warrior meant to gear and stat as a mage, a melee mage, pure and simple... Which is why RoM has given them the chance of using all kind of weapons but ranged if not a W/s... So dont try or suggest to change anything on warrior/mage skills at this point or you guys (assuming you are one) are killing your own endgame play style. In the other hand, what you could suggest and would be simply awesome. is a skill to lower aggro like example unharmed from mage ISS... W/m is easily the best dps atm, but the aggro is a super huge problem, so you guys r better off going Wand(with mag dmg like Fear from Tosh h) and a Talisman with magical attack or damage (they r off quests or annelia talisman) this will allow you to put two recons.
Have a nice day and careful with what you suggest, there is no such thing as a good hybrid class and will never be, either you are a Tank, or a Healer, or a good dps focused on one play style.

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Saturday, November 17th 2012, 6:09pm

I'd like to see how that goes. I understand that the electric/lava damage is quite good regardless of matk so long as you have a decent mdamage. It might work in a way that allows you to focus primarily on physical stats and attacking rather than white hits. I can't say that I've seen this before, but it sounds like it could possibly work in PvE. Give me a holler if you need a test buddy Rawnblaed, my name in game is Scapegoat.

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Saturday, November 17th 2012, 9:03pm

Quoted from "CiclonFurioso;577537"

In other words, you just want to kill the endgame of Warrior/mages making them to do lousy damage. I am going to imagine you havent been playing long and you lack of knowledge, otherwise you SHOULD know hybrid classes on this game suck far and beyond, the game itself doesnt support them. Warrior/mage is a warrior meant to gear and stat as a mage, a melee mage, pure and simple... Which is why RoM has given them the chance of using all kind of weapons but ranged if not a W/s... So dont try or suggest to change anything on warrior/mage skills at this point or you guys (assuming you are one) are killing your own endgame play style. In the other hand, what you could suggest and would be simply awesome. is a skill to lower aggro like example unharmed from mage ISS... W/m is easily the best dps atm, but the aggro is a super huge problem, so you guys r better off going Wand(with mag dmg like Fear from Tosh h) and a Talisman with magical attack or damage (they r off quests or annelia talisman) this will allow you to put two recons.
Have a nice day and careful with what you suggest, there is no such thing as a good hybrid class and will never be, either you are a Tank, or a Healer, or a good dps focused on one play style.


Since when do <self-edit> get to determine what others play and how they play them?

and im all honesty, 40/60 might actually still be viable due to the damage output even on a mediocre geared mage setup. I'd be interested in the results tbh. Think about it im sw....if they enemy cakes...or they candy...theyred screwed either way

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Monday, November 19th 2012, 4:03pm

I can see from threads which one is the most interesting warrior combo at the moment. I like the idea and it might work on some level with current w/m, even thought hybrids are likely to fall behind in higher level places with overall statting. I wouldn't get too hasty to fully re-gear with likely "balancing" coming at any day nearby.

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Friday, November 23rd 2012, 3:45am

u can't get hibrid! and i'll tell u why. w/m has lets say 4 big modifiers: mdmg, pdmg, matt and patt. So if u go 2-h axe with patt 60% on chain gear + matt the rest u will still have end game dmg modifier like any other wr/r or wr/wd lets say but in an end game instance like tosh Hm or KBN where u really need 75k patt + ub you won't have the necessary patt in order to do real dmg. also your magic skill will do low dmg because of low matt, low magic crt chance and low mdmg.
The factor that will screw your dmg is the [COLOR=white !important]ADF (Attack-Defense-Factor; from what i know it's similar to magic attack):

ADF = 0.1 if p.att < 0.2*pdef
ADF = 0.5*p.att/pdef if 0.2*pdef < p.att < pdef
ADF = 1-0.5*pdef/p.att if p.att > pdef

where both your magic and patt will be probably in case 1 or patt in case to 2 if u are lucky.

If, on the hand u go staff/wand + cloth and 60% int the rest patt then again u have a problem. You will have top mdmg like any other m class but when u will use your magic skill again the adf will screw your dmg because u dont have enough matt to be in case 2. U can say that your physical attack will help you but guess what with wand / staff you have crap melee dps (and for melee skills %dps is all that matters) and again very low patt to matter...

So you can go full int and be imba because the wr/m has indeed a unique play style and is imo the only pve success of classes from different nature, the rest being failures imo, or u can go full str and be a warrior with elites that don't really matter in the overall dps...