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[COLOR=white !important]Warmage is probably the second-highest dps class in game[/COLOR]

ur high...lay off the eggnog for a bit

wth could be higher dps than an AFK warmage white hitting everything? a 12 warhead mirv'd, cobalt bomb icbm? (i mean besides me on m/k of course)

Quoted from "Zombolini;582554"

Stay away from Warlocks until you've got a maxed toon, they're very complex.

I heard my name mentioned...

What's that now?

Quoted from "Zombolini;582554"

Druids are... Unconventional healers. Their heals often have strange effects. Some chain from person to person, some heal and then place an additional HOT (heal over time) on the target. Overall, they're weird in my opinion.

Unconventional healers?

Certain druid combos are some of the best healers in the game. P/K has nice survivability, and a priest's burst group heal can't be beat, but D/Wd, D/S, and D/W can give it a nice run for its money in terms of overall heals.

Personally, I found the proactive, more mobile style of healing that D/S has to be more fun for me, as opposed to spamming one heal in chapter 3 as a P/K, and two heals since chapter 4. Both priests and druids are good healers; neither is better than the other. Druids haven't been inferior healers since the chapter 4 rebalance -- they are just completely different playstyles. Giving the impression to new players that druids aren't good healers is as far off as you can get from how well the class actually performs.

And P/S as DPS? In PvE? Lolworthy.

zombolini did use the works "unconventional" and "weird", nowhere implying that druids were inferior...i don't see where all the outcry is coming from...

Quoted from "effervescent;582637"

And P/S as DPS? In PvE? Lolworthy.

Agreed...I used to think P/S were epic...cause I was a level 20 and a lv 72 P/S took me through gobs. P/S is great for PVP, but PvE is out of their league. I personally like Wd/S cause you can do decent dps just by yourself, and Chiron hits just as much as you, if not more. Ive seen Chiron pull agro off tanks. Another great DPS is R/S. In fact, I think any Rogue class would be good dps...exept for mabye Rogue/champ? IDK, someone tell me about that lmao.

Quoted from "effervescent;582637"

And P/S as DPS? In PvE? Lolworthy.

Did I specify P/S was a good DPS for PvE specifically? I did not.

And yes, druids are unconventional and weird healers, but I never said they were bad at what they do. I suppose I could call them quirky but that's an understatement in my opinion. Priest just provides a better flat heal without any added HOTs. Need I meantion Soul Source? And as far as I can tell, druids don't get a cleanse skill, they get an anti-poison but I haven't seen any curse removers. My big concern which makes me rate druids lower than priests (even if they had 2x better heals) is the fact that they don't get a self-rez like the priest's Soul Bond.

So in short, they're great healers, just a little wonky in their methods. They seem to be less party support and more self defence, note the 99% damage reduction skill, various debuffs and the many HOTs they get to out heal most damage.

not inferior healers, just quirky.

hmmm, d/s gets group exorcism and purify (curse remove all druids get) tho tbh there aren't all that many curses that last long enough ingame that need clearing (oh wait forgot about shint in tosh) but I agree it's a different playstyle. Very proactive in healing and not for everyone.

Rave's come help me defend druids

Quoted from "Zombolini;582657"

Did I specify P/S was a good DPS for PvE specifically? I did not.

And yes, druids are unconventional and weird healers, but I never said they were bad at what they do. I suppose I could call them quirky but that's an understatement in my opinion. Priest just provides a better flat heal without any added HOTs. Need I meantion Soul Source? And as far as I can tell, druids don't get a cleanse skill, they get an anti-poison but I haven't seen any curse removers. My big concern which makes me rate druids lower than priests (even if they had 2x better heals) is the fact that they don't get a self-rez like the priest's Soul Bond.

So in short, they're great healers, just a little wonky in their methods. They seem to be less party support and more self defence, note the 99% damage reduction skill, various debuffs and the many HOTs they get to out heal most damage.

not inferior healers, just quirky.

Druid/warden as 70 elite gets something better than soul source, called gift pulse, its a one minute cool down that heals your party for 10% for every natures power (100% if you have all 10).
the 99% dmg reduction is more or less the replacement to priest holy aura so mentioning that is rather irrelevant.
As for soul bond, easy thing is dont die so easy, and you wont need soul bond.

The only disadvantage druids really get is the lack of grace of life and amplified attack, tho its made up for by the withering seed (most underused druid skill ever) and the instant aoe heals.

also, P/S can be half decent pve dps, the problem is they all ice blade all day long and dont think about rising tide, all good dps know there is a difference between pve and pvp.

Quoted from "Zombolini;582657"

Did I specify P/S was a good DPS for PvE specifically? I did not.

And yes, druids are unconventional and weird healers, but I never said they were bad at what they do. I suppose I could call them quirky but that's an understatement in my opinion. Priest just provides a better flat heal without any added HOTs. Need I meantion Soul Source? And as far as I can tell, druids don't get a cleanse skill, they get an anti-poison but I haven't seen any curse removers. My big concern which makes me rate druids lower than priests (even if they had 2x better heals) is the fact that they don't get a self-rez like the priest's Soul Bond.

So in short, they're great healers, just a little wonky in their methods. They seem to be less party support and more self defence, note the 99% damage reduction skill, various debuffs and the many HOTs they get to out heal most damage.

not inferior healers, just quirky.

Your "P/S can be considered a DPS class" is misleading if you're meaning strictly PvP, since you didn't specify.

Anyway, as for druids~

D/S - Group Exorcism is an AoE cleanse that works on most things the single-target priest Cleanse will. In addition to that, they can remove certain debuffs that priests can't. Has two AoE HoTs that can be kept on the party at all times.

D/W - Has an extra AoE heal, giving it two instant burst heals, and the best physical buff in the game -- far better than Amp Attack. It also has Nourish.

D/M - Extra AoE HoT, single-target HP buff, party-wide matk/healing 30s buff, and with the 70 elite can reduce a heal's cast time to less than a second.

D/Wd - Mdam buff, Briar Shield, Soul Source that is better than a priest's.

All druids have both a curse remover and a poison remover. Druid single-target heals can far out-burst UH, they're just longer cast times, which is why druids have HoTs/other insant heals as well. The HoTs druids possess (D/S in particular) add up to a pretty large amount of heals per second, and that's not something to scoff at. While your priest is charging their GH, the D/W is using back-to-back instant burst GHs, the D/S is soaking up the damage with their HoTs, and the D/Wd is insta-full-healing the party every minute.

Sure, priest is simple. You spam just a few heals. The fact that druids have many, many skills to juggle doesn't make them "quirky," it just makes them more intense to play. A bad druid will likely be much worse at keeping a party alive than a bad priest. A good druid can perform very, very well for healing, and the debuffs can be very useful if utilized correctly. The class isn't straightforward. There are a lot of skills to manage, everything from HoTs to burst heal to AoE heals to debuffs to cleanses, all while managing your Nature's Power. You can't sleep through an instance on a druid.

The lack of Soul Bond is a non-issue for most things. How someone can consider druids only "defensive" instead of "support" is beyond me, unless you've never seen a good druid heal before.

IMO any class can solo, some do it with ease, other do it with some know-how
Each class can kill a mob in a good amount of time, depending on gear, level and rotation.

Flashy skills?
If you want flashy skills, higher level abilities are flashy.

My two fast-kill characters I play are my Mage-Priest + Rogue-Scout, my Warlock-Mage maybe a fast killer too.

**Really depends on gear and how you play**

Quoted from "effervescent;582854"

Your "P/S can be considered a DPS class" is misleading if you're meaning strictly PvP, since you didn't specify.

Anyway, as for druids~

D/S - Group Exorcism is an AoE cleanse that works on most things the single-target priest Cleanse will. In addition to that, they can remove certain debuffs that priests can't. Has two AoE HoTs that can be kept on the party at all times.

D/W - Has an extra AoE heal, giving it two instant burst heals, and the best physical buff in the game -- far better than Amp Attack. It also has Nourish.

D/M - Extra AoE HoT, single-target HP buff, party-wide matk/healing 30s buff, and with the 70 elite can reduce a heal's cast time to less than a second.

D/Wd - Mdam buff, Briar Shield, Soul Source that is better than a priest's.

All druids have both a curse remover and a poison remover. Druid single-target heals can far out-burst UH, they're just longer cast times, which is why druids have HoTs/other insant heals as well. The HoTs druids possess (D/S in particular) add up to a pretty large amount of heals per second, and that's not something to scoff at. While your priest is charging their GH, the D/W is using back-to-back instant burst GHs, the D/S is soaking up the damage with their HoTs, and the D/Wd is insta-full-healing the party every minute.

Sure, priest is simple. You spam just a few heals. The fact that druids have many, many skills to juggle doesn't make them "quirky," it just makes them more intense to play. A bad druid will likely be much worse at keeping a party alive than a bad priest. A good druid can perform very, very well for healing, and the debuffs can be very useful if utilized correctly. The class isn't straightforward. There are a lot of skills to manage, everything from HoTs to burst heal to AoE heals to debuffs to cleanses, all while managing your Nature's Power. You can't sleep through an instance on a druid.

The lack of Soul Bond is a non-issue for most things. How someone can consider druids only "defensive" instead of "support" is beyond me, unless you've never seen a good druid heal before.

Every Priest Combo gets Amp Attk and Grace of Life, and Cleanse.....hmmm so to get better buffs than a priest you have to be a specific class combo on Druid. So how does that work in Insta runs? You magically can switch to every druid combo in order to get all the better skills?

A good combo also could be wd/d/warr....can be main heals, tank, or dps depending on how you feel.

Stop trying to use all the druid combo/elites to compare to just the class specific Priest skills. Makes it look like you need 4 different druid combinations to equal one Priest.

And Heal can outburst any druid heal. So comparing the weakest heal( Urgent Heal) of a priest to the strongest single target heal of the druid.

To clarify something for you.....go back to levels being between 57~60....enter a small band of adventurers whom have cleared ZS/DL/HoS with a druid as the only heals. Go to Dungeon of Dalanis and figure out and beat Madman and think hey this insta is not all that hard.....get to second boss and the tank gets feared the d/m casts purify and nothing happens = party wipe. Purify does not work on jack shyt. So now as a druid combo you are unable to be solo heals for an insta....lots of frustration lead to me quitting the druid class. I was solo healing HoTo/HoS/ZS/DL as a d/m at the time. Oh nature points how I despise thee.

Nice twisting of words you did there.

No. I did not say that 4 druid combos = priest buffs. That would be silly. I said that certain druids do have buffs better than priests. You might be one of those combos, or you might not. Doesn't make you less of a healer for not having Amp or GoL. Most people don't even want GoL.

Second boss in DoD is the one exception for what a druid can heal, but that's irrelevant now at the 75 cap when someone can pretty much oneshot him. Druids can easily heal DL/ZS without a priest, even at-level, so...dunno why you're saying they can't.

NP is a non-issue now, as I've said in the other thread, since the druid class got rebalanced. Pointing to how they used to be and saying "See! They were too difficult to heal with two years ago, which means they suck now!" is a ridiculous thing to say.

You can argue about how priests are superior all you want, but druids soloheal things every day without a problem. Class takes focus, attention to NP count, and watchfulness of HoTs/debuffs, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Priests and druids are both great healers.

I never twisted your words.

You use Elite Skills that only specific druid combo gets to say they have better buffs than a priest. A priest is a pure healer/buffer. The Druid is a hybrid healer/debuff/damage class. Awakening of the Wild is only on a d/w not every druid class, so NO the druid does not get any buff similar to Amp Attack or Grace of Life, or Soulbond( every priest combo gets these because they are class specific skills).

Basically I am saying you keep trying to say the druid is better by comparing apples to oranges, just does not work.

And I never said druids could not solo heal, nor am I saying that priests are superior....I am saying that raw healing output a Priest is stronger.

My DoD example was a real game experience of mine that was encountered when max level was somewhere between 57~60. There is plenty of crap that the druid Purify skill does not work on, basically need to be a specific druid combo to be able to have a skill that works like the Priest Cleanse.

Go ahead and point out where I said the druid sucks, I never did. I know they changed the way the druid works, and do not fool yourself the druid is as easy mode healing as a priest is now days.