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Friday, January 11th 2013, 2:34pm

w/wdn 70 elite

okay, has anyone determined whether the 50% applies to the base stat or the actually percentage. what i mean to say is does it take my crit rate from 70% to 105% or does it take my 4k crit and make it 6k

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Monday, January 14th 2013, 7:17am

I am still working on my lvl60 elite so cant test it right now. Adding 50% directly to percentage may lead to crit rate value over 100% which does not make any sense. So it must be increase in base crit. As far as i know your crit rate percentage can never reach 100% (value shown in char menu). I made some analysis on numbers and found out that its almost linear increase in % value with base crit increase till about 50% after that slope of output curve(% vs base crit) starts decreasing. Mt best guess is that % crit is capped at 90%(maybe someone with 70%+ crit rate can do some more test).

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Monday, February 11th 2013, 3:23am

Runes of Magic critical chance calculation

here u get all u need about crt. Anyway vs 77-80 boss your crt rate falls from 70% to 305 easy. And we already have skills that make an attack have 100% chance in crt.

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Friday, March 1st 2013, 3:33am

Just to clarify................the crit only applies to the skill Savage Whirlwind, not your overall crit for everything. But im not too sure if its a flat 50% added to it or a 50% increase to your current crit.

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Friday, March 1st 2013, 2:52pm

Quoted from "AllHailMacbeth3;590914"

Just to clarify................the crit only applies to the skill Savage Whirlwind, not your overall crit for everything. But im not too sure if its a flat 50% added to it or a 50% increase to your current crit.

If that is true and only SW is affected by the +50% crt chance then don't get the 70/70 elite. The crt and stun, nice in pvp come with a 85% dps nerf of the skill. If the 50% is global to all skills like an internal buff than yes... get the elite.

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Friday, March 1st 2013, 4:39pm

Quoted from "hangman04;590962"

If that is true and only SW is affected by the +50% crt chance then don't get the 70/70 elite. The crt and stun, nice in pvp come with a 85% dps nerf of the skill. If the 50% is global to all skills like an internal buff than yes... get the elite.


Savage Whirlwind has an 85% nerf after getting the 70/70? I don't recall seeing anything removed from the skill after receiving the elite... Only see that it now as one additional effect?

Edit: Aww snaps, it really is nerfed :/ /rage
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Tuesday, March 19th 2013, 1:14am

Quoted from "mikkehboii;590982"

Savage Whirlwind has an 85% nerf after getting the 70/70? I don't recall seeing anything removed from the skill after receiving the elite... Only see that it now as one additional effect?

Edit: Aww snaps, it really is nerfed :/ /rage



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Tuesday, March 19th 2013, 1:53am

Quoted from "1stfaze;593418"

BOOOOOOOOO just another way to hold the melee warrior down


Aren't all warriors melee? Lol. I just don't see why the %DPS had to be nerfed to add an effect on the skill that doesn't even make it OP. I mean, the effect only activates when target is under 30% HP... That's most of the fight already, and it only applies to Savage Whirlwind, not all skills. Which makes the DPS nerf on it even more pointless.
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Tuesday, April 23rd 2013, 4:35pm

so this is absolutely true ??? if i get 70 elite SW is null and void until a fix is implemented? really is 85% dps nerf to skill?
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Wednesday, April 24th 2013, 5:37am

Quoted from "FarmerTom;598949"

so this is absolutely true ??? if i get 70 elite SW is null and void until a fix is implemented? really is 85% dps nerf to skill?


Doesn't make it useless, it's still an important skill in the rotation. Just sucks that it gets nerfed with the Lvl 70 elite. I don't think its a bug where it'll be fixed, it just wasn't put in the tooltip.
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Wednesday, April 24th 2013, 9:39pm

is it 85% reduced dps orrrr 85% of the 600% something odd number of dps it has? (Descriptive huh? :P)
like is it now below 300% dps skill is biggest reason im askin here.
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Wednesday, April 24th 2013, 10:43pm

Quoted from "FarmerTom;599043"

is it 85% reduced dps orrrr 85% of the 600% something odd number of dps it has? (Descriptive huh? :P)
like is it now below 300% dps skill is biggest reason im askin here.


It is currently about 85% DPS lower than Open Flank. Not reduced by 85%. Using your example, it was 600% DPS now it's 515%.
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Thursday, April 25th 2013, 12:54am

kk tyvm man
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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 9:33pm

Well if u have 4k crit and that equals 70% it wouldnt matter whether it went up %wise or from your overal crit. If crit were to add 50% you would reach 6k and at 2k = 35% it would be 105%. If you were to thate half of your % (35) and add to 70% you would still get 105%. I don't think it matters which way you go with it.
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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 9:48pm

as far as i know ( and i dont ) only heresay but think crit ONLY applies to the skill mentioned its not passive crit.
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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 11:23pm

Quoted from "Clancy2232;599488"

Well if u have 4k crit and that equals 70% it wouldnt matter whether it went up %wise or from your overal crit. If crit were to add 50% you would reach 6k and at 2k = 35% it would be 105%. If you were to thate half of your % (35) and add to 70% you would still get 105%. I don't think it matters which way you go with it.


isn't the relationship between crit points and crit % not linear? more of a log function I believe...

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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 11:25pm

Quoted from "Clancy2232;599488"

Well if u have 4k crit and that equals 70% it wouldnt matter whether it went up %wise or from your overal crit. If crit were to add 50% you would reach 6k and at 2k = 35% it would be 105%. If you were to thate half of your % (35) and add to 70% you would still get 105%. I don't think it matters which way you go with it.


Crit is:

((Crit number -(30xmoblevel+300)/critnumber)+1)/2

As you see, adding 50% to critnumber ( adding 2K to 4k) is different than adding 35% to 70%

Hard to show without being able to write math formulas properly.

At lvl77, say you have 6k crit which is 76.96%.

If you add 76.96 x 50%, then crit chance is 115.45%.

If you add 3k crit to 6k, 9k crit is only 85.5%

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Monday, April 29th 2013, 12:15am

Quoted from "Galenwaithien;599493"

Crit is:

((Crit number -(30xmoblevel+300)/critnumber)+1)/2

As you see, adding 50% to critnumber ( adding 2K to 4k) is different than adding 35% to 70%

Hard to show without being able to write math formulas properly.

At lvl77, say you have 6k crit which is 76.96%.

If you add 76.96 x 50%, then crit chance is 115.45%.

If you add 3k crit to 6k, 9k crit is only 85.5%


ty for clearing that up...knew it wasn't linear, just didn't know what it was...

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Monday, April 29th 2013, 9:54pm

Quoted from "Galenwaithien;599493"

Crit is:

((Crit number -(30xmoblevel+300)/critnumber)+1)/2

As you see, adding 50% to critnumber ( adding 2K to 4k) is different than adding 35% to 70%

Hard to show without being able to write math formulas properly.

At lvl77, say you have 6k crit which is 76.96%.

If you add 76.96 x 50%, then crit chance is 115.45%.

If you add 3k crit to 6k, 9k crit is only 85.5%


Please clarify the crit formula, because it looks to not support the example

6k crit@lvl 77=76.96%

put into the formula looks like

((6000-(30x77+300)/6000)+1)/2

which equals just over 3000, not 76.96%

again, please clarify. thx
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Monday, April 29th 2013, 10:33pm

(((6000-(30x77+300))/6000)+1)/2=78.25%, there ya go
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