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Quoted from "CammoXD;588067"

My guild's K/S has 30k pa unbuffed, 2 Hatred X runes. All our dps in party have 2 recon X runes so everyone with -90% aggro. What I don't get...is how can he not hold aggro? Myself as w/m cannot use even a single 'burn' cooldown. I let him get aggro for about 5 seconds before I even start dps'ing and without poping anything except moti and rage cape to stack ER to 3, I pull aggro in no time.

He uses a T10 Augmented Sword and rings/neck are all +16. I'm just wondering if this is always an issue on other servers because I can hardly even hit a boss without pulling aggro.

Also just wondering what the k/s buffing/casting order is at the start of a fight.

Any info would be appreciated, thanks

Gravitas can hold aggro ;D

Yeah, the 2-3 W/M we have have to be disciplined. I know exactly what you're talking about.
For instance, the first boss in KBN I tell W/M not to DPS until boss is at 70%.

It had me of different set ups for tanking as W/M since they seem to love aggro. Could probably use shield, chain gear, and stat like a knight with MAtk instead of PAtk and only one hatred on a wand and do alright even with the obvious set backs in MAtk in the chain gear and statting.

And it has nothing to do with K/S aggro. It has to do with aggro, period.

pattack and pdamage. 30k is pretty low and t10 Augmented is pretty low too.

Our K/S and Ch/R tanks have no major issues holding aggro.

If you haven't seen this demo of what's possible, check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv-sI9RAfUI

K/P in the video above does 25-30k dps on KBN bosses and generates twice the aggro of W/Ms in party. Ch/R does 40-50k dps. Compare to your tank and you will have the answers.

Iunno Cammo, our tank is k/s and he holds aggro off our warmages just fine, but we're also much closer in gear level, and Ihoro knows how to tank.

I know for a fact that you outgear me by a pretty hefty amount- and it sounds like Horo has more gear than your tank- at least when it comes to the aggro generating parts ie: weapon and pa.

Now, I have 1 recon VIII in my staff and when I go wand/tally (which I really only use on trash) I have two recon VII's. And I do always use k/p buff for the hard stuff. And Ihoro has two Hatred X's. So it may be that your tank is having major issues since the aggro max value was changed to 90%. Our tanks have always made up for that by dirty high tiering weapons for damage and sacrificing pdef for pa.

It really sounds like you have a somewhat lazy tank who's never had to worry about aggro because your dps was always able to get negative values. If they want to hold aggro these days, they'll have to give up epeening over extra pdef and hp they don't really need for pa, and also they'll need to put more effort into using all their aggro generation skills correctly.

Dude needs to regear, invest in a real weapon, and start experimenting with his rotation.

Warmage does generate a crapton of aggro, but with a clever tank, you can go all out. If you watch the scrut.

Reading it made me feel like our guild tank is the best he is k/s and doesn't have all top gear but he can hold aggro against me a warmage with one recon.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;588102"

It really sounds like you have a somewhat lazy tank who's never had to worry about aggro because your dps was always able to get negative values. If they want to hold aggro these days, they'll have to give up epeening over extra pdef and hp they don't really need for pa, and also they'll need to put more effort into using all their aggro generation skills correctly.

Our Tank isn't lazy by any stretch, He is one of the best healers on server. That's part of the problem he has had to switch from p/k to k/s and even those skills and gear is up there its a time thing.

I learnt tonight on my main wd/s that I know have to hold off on burns both 1st and 2nd boss KBN countdown went i popped all my cooldown's ripped aggro and died first hit. There's something wrong there somewhere when even as a wd/s with 2 recon X I was pulling aggro. Sure chiron does it all the time but was the first time I had ever pulled aggro during a burn.

Sounds like a L2P problem more than a gear problem.

I wonder if your K/S is using Whirlwind Shield every time it's available. That's still the best agro generating knight skill, right? Last I checked it had a 10x multiplier and everyone was saying it was head and shoulders over everything else agro-wise. (I play champ tank, so not really sure.)

Should be able to see on scrut I think.

Also, tell your tank to ditch some of the dodge/parry stuff for crit/patk as they go along gearing. Like cloak & jewelry I mean.

This has got to be a l2p problem. With that high of recons there's no reason you guys should be pulling aggro.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;588102"

Iunno Cammo, our tank is k/s and he holds aggro off our warmages just fine, but we're also much closer in gear level, and Ihoro knows how to tank.

I know for a fact that you outgear me by a pretty hefty amount- and it sounds like Horo has more gear than your tank- at least when it comes to the aggro generating parts ie: weapon and pa.

Now, I have 1 recon VIII in my staff and when I go wand/tally (which I really only use on trash) I have two recon VII's. And I do always use k/p buff for the hard stuff. And Ihoro has two Hatred X's. So it may be that your tank is having major issues since the aggro max value was changed to 90%. Our tanks have always made up for that by dirty high tiering weapons for damage and sacrificing pdef for pa.

It really sounds like you have a somewhat lazy tank who's never had to worry about aggro because your dps was always able to get negative values. If they want to hold aggro these days, they'll have to give up epeening over extra pdef and hp they don't really need for pa, and also they'll need to put more effort into using all their aggro generation skills correctly.

Dude needs to regear, invest in a real weapon, and start experimenting with his rotation.

Warmage does generate a crapton of aggro, but with a clever tank, you can go all out. If you watch the scrut.

Horo's a good tank once you get past the zomg it's taking him 20 minutes per pull. :p

Quoted from "CammoXD;588092"

Soooo T10 stat all our gear and T14+ wep? Ok, i'll tell him to get onto that, shouldn't be too hard...minus the insane cost.

I know Kanu from Pewpew has around 35k pa or something close to that and a T8 stated wep, and from what he told me he has no issue holding aggro over w/m's that have 2 recon's and his gear isn't that much better than our tanks, so i'm assuming that either we are missing some buffs or our tank is crap at holding aggro? *Shrugs*

The tank in the video is a K/P, so K/S has an extra Hatred X on him. W/Ms in the video have Recon VIIs, not Recon Xs like you guys. t7/t8 gear and CV weapons t11/t12.

If your tank's gear is almost as good as Kanu's, the problem is obviously between the chair and the table. What is good for Kanu may not be good for you btw. Ch/Rs have easier time tanking with 100k+ pattack and 10k pdam. Extra pattack and pdam do make a ton of difference.

K/S = rotation, rotation, rotation. The agro holding capability is one of the best (if not the best) of all tank combos. If he's having aggro problems, it has to be either 1) gear or 2) his rotation. Yes, Knights have rotations as well.

Tienkeem from my guild (Heretic) went and tanked kbn hm bosses with half rogue gear, half tank, and a t4 augmented sword plussed to 8 I believe, and held aggro (along with surviving) relatively well. Again, rotation.

edit: and yes, this was on w/m. He held aggro with that crap he called gear better than some other fully statted k/s I've ran with.

Btw, did I mention....rotation?

Your tank doesn't know how to tank.

/thread

Man poor tanks.

Cammo, the more you all talk, the more it seems like it is a learn to play issue.

Which, if dude is a priest for realz, then yeah, of course he's gonna have some issues. Priests don't have anything like a rotation. And they stat like a tank... but they don't need wisdom, so I can see him having gearing issues as well.

Easiest thing to do to start would be to get him a real tank weapon, a KBN hammer or sword, or whatever the tanky types prefer now. And he might want to try and get more pa, asap.

But the picture I think we all had in our minds was your typical craptank, you know the one, the guy who stats all stam/hp/def, clean tiers a weapon, clean tiers a shield to 10, swaggers around and then loses aggro to the healers in a real instance cause he can't get the boss targeted. Since you guys have always had access to high level recons, I think we all kinda thought, man tanks on Thalia have it so easy. Lol.

But in truth, he sounds like the kind of guy who's spending his resources to play a class he doesn't even want to play, just to help you all out. So kudos to him, and sorry for sounding like a big meanie before.

So just curious what is a k/s rotation?

Quoted from "DrizzitDoUrden;588171"

So just curious what is a k/s rotation?

Go on Reni and pm Tienkeem. Old school k/s (currently r/s main). He loves helping people out.

Ahhh K/S is a cake walk, Make sure you get the first hit I usually throw vamp arrow before I get to work

I pretty much just Whirlwind and holy strike and threaten as much as possible. So rotation? Just run like any tank would throw on the Hatred strike and then get in there Whirlwind, Holy strike a lot, Threaten, Whirlwind, Holy Strike a lot. I just throw in the Vamp arrow and Shot when Im bored and agro is high. Your not gonna do DPS so just worry about agro
Sumthing like that.