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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 5:07pm

Earth Core Barrier. How many times per second?

Earth Core Barrier is M/Warden's level 70 elite skill.
Description: Reduces your received damage by 90%. Also all spells are transformed to instant spells. Lasts for 5 seconds.
In other words it lets you spam Flame with no GCD.
If there is no cooldown then what is the limit?
How many times are you able to cast that Flame?
I thought that there is no limit and i could spam Flame in a macro script hundreds of times per second, but this turned out no to be true.
I could do maximally 6 times per second.
Can this be improved?
Can you do more?

I remember in Chapter 3 there was a bow from Warnorken that enabled to spam shot with no GCD.
Does anybody remember how fast was that spamming and how it was done?

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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 5:28pm

[COLOR=white !important]Reduces your received damage by 90%

the in game description is actually 60% only

the amount of flames you will be able to get off all depends on lag from your side or from rom side.

i usually get around 15-22 flame spams solo kt and rt bosses unbuffed, tried with no gear on spam mob i was able to hit 24 max possible,

of course in siege, i couldnt get more then a few off due to lag or players running all around, and never have chance to just stay still before a spam, always like to move and spam .

all depends on lag and how quickly you press, its alot slower if you use diyce, manual with simple cast macro seems to work better for me, and before anyone complains, no this skill is not OP.[/COLOR]

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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 7:26pm

Quoted from "choujiaki;595694"

[COLOR=white !important]

all depends on lag and how quickly you press, its alot slower if you use diyce, manual with simple cast macro seems to work better for me, and before anyone complains, no this skill is not OP.[/COLOR]


suuuure its not.

anyway yeah it basically just depends on how good your ping is really.
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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 7:30pm

Mages hardest hitting skill, instant, no GCD, can cast as many times as you can click, useable on the move, 90% incoming damage reduction - and not OP? Please lol.

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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 8:13pm

Lol solo kt bosses and its not op?im sure that every p/s out there was soloing kt.
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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 8:26pm

PSssHhhh @ BorRaves stack moar MDef rawr

highly doubt not many M/Wrd can put a dent on 2 of the best healers in RoM

and yar its not like ice blade, so no change.

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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 8:28pm

Quoted from "choujiaki;595722"

PSssHhhh @ BorRaves stack moar MDef rawr

highly doubt not many M/Wrd can put a dent on 2 of the best healers in RoM

and yar its not like ice blade, so no change.


An endgame stated m/wd will kill me or raves easily with that skill in like 2-3 secconds flat. Name a p/s that could ever do that? Yeah didnt think so. But p/s is the OP one that needed a nerf.. Lol.

not to mention you get 20 flames.. On top of however many erupt for even MORE damage.
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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 8:35pm

Also a lower cool down by 2minutes than every other classes best buff... Yeah not op at all.
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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 8:36pm

lol ^^ true...p/s did have a gcd just no travel time on it somewhat hid the "delay". a spammable flame (just like beta!) with no gcd penalty is sick! kk, changing my anti-p/s addon to an anti super mage/wrd thing.

after i finish the anti-donkey one*

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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 9:46pm

Quoted from "Borella;595726"

Also a lower cool down by 2minutes than every other classes best buff... Yeah not op at all.


At least it has a CD... M/WD gets to kill anyone once every 3 mins, if they aren't killed before getting the skill off or shadowprisoned after hitting the skill. It really is only useful against healers and tanks in sw so I usually only use it 4-5 times per sw.

And while flame itself has no gcd during this buff, clicking the skill does trigger gcd so you end up only getting about 3.5 seconds of the spam, which means unless you are standing in front of a bunch of toons being played by monkeys, you will only kill one person.

OP in the sense that it can kill anyone in the game? Yes. OP in the sense that is breaks sw? No because it is really only giving a M/WD 5 or so more kills per sw, 10 if people don't know how to play.

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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 9:59pm

Quoted from "northpitcher17;595738"

At least it has a CD... M/WD gets to kill anyone once every 3 mins, if they aren't killed before getting the skill off or shadowprisoned after hitting the skill. It really is only useful against healers and tanks in sw so I usually only use it 4-5 times per sw.

And while flame itself has no gcd during this buff, clicking the skill does trigger gcd so you end up only getting about 3.5 seconds of the spam, which means unless you are standing in front of a bunch of toons being played by monkeys, you will only kill one person.

OP in the sense that it can kill anyone in the game? Yes. OP in the sense that is breaks sw? No because it is really only giving a M/WD 5 or so more kills per sw, 10 if people don't know how to play.


Being able to burn a healer that nobody else could kill without 5+ people on them because of one skill is OP. And being able to take out a healer in less than 3 seconds has alot more of an impact then "Hey I got one kill", cause then the people they were healing are fcked as well.

Not to mention M/Wdn also have instants better than a P/S ever did.

But you're right, P/S needed the nerf. They were waaayy too powerful. *Rolls eyes* M/Wdn is fine.
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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 10:54pm

Imagine m/wd flame spam with catalysis, intense, and ironblood will. That's scary
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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 11:13pm

Imagine 30 S/Wds in siege.
With Ironblood Will, Battle Time, Refine Stell VII, Lutes and Tambs.

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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 11:30pm

Quoted from "timthum;595721"

Lol solo kt bosses and its not op?im sure that every p/s out there was soloing kt.


Pfft, there were Rogues soloing KT in mid-chapter 4 in about 10 secs or so. Rogues are can now solo GCH 1-3, KT is nothing lol. Want to see mages solo GCH 1-3. Maybe by chapter 7...


Quoted from "Borella;595725"

An endgame stated m/wd will kill me or raves easily with that skill in like 2-3 secconds flat. Name a p/s that could ever do that? Yeah didnt think so. But p/s is the OP one that needed a nerf.. Lol.

Raves has shown in vid against Bteam that he does not get killed by decently geared M/Wd Flame spam. And I don't think he used Immune or Rock Protection either.

But imo, wrong focus for RW here. Mages need better sustained DPS, and not just M/Wd. We're ok during burn, so giving just M/Wd 4 secs of glory that will instantly get them killed in any instance is kinda dumb.

But I do agree, CD should be 5 mins.
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Thursday, March 28th 2013, 11:31pm

Quoted from "Borella;595741"

Being able to burn a healer that nobody else could kill without 5+ people on them because of one skill is OP. And being able to take out a healer in less than 3 seconds has alot more of an impact then "Hey I got one kill", cause then the people they were healing are fcked as well. .


Nobody could kill really?
Chiron can solo a healer faster than any M/Wd can.
R/S can solo any healer just popping out of hide for a few seconds.
W/M, Wd/S, etc etc etc.
Nobody... really now.

P.S. Are you upset with Somillia? He can solo you on W/M and Wd/W too.

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Friday, March 29th 2013, 12:10am

Quoted from "ruisen2000;595748"


Raves has shown in vid against Bteam that he does not get killed by decently geared M/Wd Flame spam. And I don't think he used Immune or Rock Protection either.

Actually, I did use rock prot for the last 4 or so flames, I was down to about 20% hp so I popped it. In all honesty, I'm lucky they didnt pop cata/intense/moti/crit pot. I would have been down within the first 5, give or take a few resists.

Quoted from "tyrr;595749"


P.S. Are you upset with Somillia? He can solo you on W/M and Wd/W too.

I am >:( Somilia always seems to get the jump on me from nowhere. The last time (2 ppk sieges ago) she literally appeared from nowhere, luckily I had my camera facing behind me so I saw the initial 4 insta flames and rock prot'd. Sadakko took good care of her after, and damn that felt good >.>

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Friday, March 29th 2013, 12:12am

Quoted from "tyrr;595749"

Nobody could kill really?
Chiron can solo a healer faster than any M/Wd can.
R/S can solo any healer just popping out of hide for a few seconds.
W/M, Wd/S, etc etc etc.
Nobody... really now.

P.S. Are you upset with Somillia? He can solo you on W/M and Wd/W too.


Sure Chiron can solo a healer, if you let them full buff summon it *and* let it hit you. M/wd just has to press a button once.

R/S takes a hell of alot more than a few seconds to kill me, lol. And they need quite a few buffs for it. Only one I can think of that could probably burn me anywhere near as fast as a M/wd is Bleedingblak and only because he's geared differently than any other rogue, and yet a M/Wd would *still* be faster and more efficient.

W/M, sure. If they get into attack range. AND manage to swing their slow azz staff before they get killed. M/wd can do it from range with the click of a button.

Also none of the above classes also get a 60% damage reduction *while* they are spamming their OP skill.

I'm honestly not calling for a nerf to M/wd, they can keep their OP skill, I just think it's ridiculous that people are okay with other classes having skills like this but P/S get's nerfed into the ground and everyones like "Yeah that's what they needed."
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Friday, March 29th 2013, 12:25am

Quoted from "Borella;595754"


I'm honestly not calling for a nerf to M/wd, they can keep their OP skill, I just think it's ridiculous that people are okay with other classes having skills like this but P/S get's nerfed into the ground and everyones like "Yeah that's what they needed."


P/S nerf is really a new level of low that Runewaker has fell to.
Truly shameful.

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Friday, March 29th 2013, 12:38am

Just wait until more people jump on the m/wd bandwagon. I have been thinking about siege being in beta and I think I understand why it won't ever be out.... They can literally use their player base to test new skills and tactics. Think about how much money can be saved by not paying testers.

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Friday, March 29th 2013, 1:54am

Quoted from "yodased;595759"

Just wait until more people jump on the m/wd bandwagon. I have been thinking about siege being in beta and I think I understand why it won't ever be out.... They can literally use their player base to test new skills and tactics. Think about how much money can be saved by not paying testers.


A lot of people already have. We used to fight a guild from Artemis with several mages, none of which are M/Wd. We fought against them a week ago or so, and god almost every single one of them was M/Wd -.-
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