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Wednesday, April 10th 2013, 4:45pm

so, even with 2 hatreds, bonus patt with the bow stat stick, secret agreement, Morale boost(for all party) and VA bleed, not possible for wd/s to outdps and/or out aggro wd/w? not taking in account 70 elites?

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Wednesday, April 10th 2013, 5:35pm

Quoted from "marcelcrazy2;597260"

so, even with 2 hatreds, bonus patt with the bow stat stick, secret agreement, Morale boost(for all party) and VA bleed, not possible for wd/s to outdps and/or out aggro wd/w? not taking in account 70 elites?


I am talking about with the Lvl 70 elite of course. If you don't have the Lvl 70 elite for Wdn/W than Wdn/S should outdps Wdn/W. but Wdn/W's aggro will still be higher than Wdn/S because Wdn/W skills have % aggro modifiers on skills.

When Wdn/W has its Lvl 70 elite, it has more P.Dmg than Wdn/S in burn, it has more P.Att than Wdn/S in burn, it's %DPS skills are higher than Wdn/S in general, it has more attacks to filter in between Charged Chops, and it's skills have aggro modifiers on them. The aggro modifier for Double Chop, Beast Chop and Pulse Mastery is 5x. The aggro modifier for Cross Chop with SOTO out is 8x.

And the most important part of all, with Lvl 70 elite, everyone in your group gets a -50% aggro reduction.
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Wednesday, April 10th 2013, 11:47pm

hmm, i see, yeah, looking that way you're right. thanks for replies. sadly i like too much my scout side to drop for warrior =). but good to know wd/s is viable as tank.

if mod wants to close topic feel free, my question was solved.

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Wednesday, April 10th 2013, 11:58pm

Quoted from "marcelcrazy2;597322"

hmm, i see, yeah, looking that way you're right. thanks for replies. sadly i like too much my scout side to drop for warrior =). but good to know wd/s is viable as tank.

if mod wants to close topic feel free, my question was solved.


Yea, it's plenty viable.
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Thursday, April 11th 2013, 1:11am

Anti-magic arrow, long asss range, avoids LoS.
Wd/s best tank, k?
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Friday, April 12th 2013, 12:54pm

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Monday, April 15th 2013, 8:41pm

wd/s is dps that can take hits, not a tank.
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Monday, April 15th 2013, 10:52pm

Quoted from "camagic;597658"

wd/s is dps that can take hits, not a tank.


Extremely false. Wdn/S can very much tank.
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Monday, April 15th 2013, 11:04pm

Quoted from "camagic;597658"

wd/s is dps that can take hits, not a tank.

Yeah I gotta disagree with you there as well. I know several Wd/S that don't even gear full tank and they can still tank KBNH first boss runs. With full tank gear they can tank the whole instance.

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Tuesday, April 16th 2013, 6:11pm

So could you please paste a diyce or addon that gives the wd/s a taunt, or a skill other than cross chop(w/soto) that has aggro generation on it?
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Tuesday, April 16th 2013, 6:18pm

Quoted from "camagic;597804"

So could you please paste a diyce or addon that gives the wd/s a taunt, or a skill other than cross chop(w/soto) that has aggro generation on it?


Assuming you don't have another tank in the party you don't need aggro generation skills to tank. 2 Hatreds + high damage = top aggro if everyone else has recons.

Tanking doesn't mean you have to be designed to tank, all you have to be able to do is hold aggro over dps with recons and have enough hp/def to handle the hits.

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Tuesday, April 16th 2013, 6:44pm

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Tanking doesn't mean you have to be designed to tank, all you have to be able to do is hold aggro over dps with recons and have enough hp/def to handle the hits.



Oh, I guess that is not what I said of "wd/s is dps that can take hits, not a tank." My mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Tuesday, April 16th 2013, 11:02pm

Well I'am tanking on my WD/W and use taunt only to improve my aggro in late fight during burn it's useless.... Same situation with any other tank, that can hold aggro without taunt....

As for differences in tanking WD/W and WD/S the one big is statting with WD/W you would use plate with some patt in stats and WD/S chain without, getting some more DMG because of lack parry and generating some more aggro because of higher critical hit rate (overall aggro should be lower, cuz of lack aggro skills).
The other would be buffs, as WD/W has more to offer to improve survivability (Elven Guidance with 60 elite, 5% passive elite, immortal power, coat of arms and defensive formation)...... Still those are "worst case scenario" skills and usually tank do not need any of them.....

If I can hold boss with Berserk on, why WD/S with similar pdef (and without debuff form berserk) wouldn't..... As for aggro should be better than OK.

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Tuesday, April 16th 2013, 11:38pm

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Oh, I guess that is not what I said of "wd/s is dps that can take hits, not a tank." My mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.


If it is holding aggro in a run and is intending to do so, it is the tank of the run. Therefore it can be played as a tank if you wish to do so. Also Frantic Briar has an 8x aggro modifier on it with SOTO out as well.
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Wednesday, April 17th 2013, 6:56am

That is a good point about frantic briar w/soto. I often forget about this(and cross chop aggro) as I run wd/s with chiron about 96% of the time, and the long cd on FB :,-(

As for the statement "[COLOR=white !important]If it is holding aggro in a run and is intending to do so, it is the tank of the run.", that is claiming that p/k are tanks.[/COLOR]

I run wd/s as solely dps, but there are times that I pull aggro off the tank, and end up taking quite a few hits, even geared as solely dps I still survive, but that does not make me a tank.
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Wednesday, April 17th 2013, 3:46pm

Quoted from "camagic;598117"

That is a good point about frantic briar w/soto. I often forget about this(and cross chop aggro) as I run wd/s with chiron about 96% of the time, and the long cd on FB :,-(

As for the statement "[COLOR=white !important]If it is holding aggro in a run and is intending to do so, it is the tank of the run.", that is claiming that p/k are tanks.[/COLOR]

I run wd/s as solely dps, but there are times that I pull aggro off the tank, and end up taking quite a few hits, even geared as solely dps I still survive, but that does not make me a tank.


No it isn't. P/K could not hold aggro over any DPS even if it wanted to. It has no way of generating threat at the rate a DPS can even if they all had -90% aggro. Surviving a few hits is not tanking. Running KBN hm full while being the designated tank is tanking. And many have done so successfully. Therefore Wdn/S CAN be built as a tank if one wishes to do so. It is the same as Ch/x, they can both tank and DPS depending on how they decide to gear.
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Thursday, April 18th 2013, 1:08am

hm, so frantic briar has an 8x aggro multiplier as well with SoTO out? awesome, that + cross chop and PoTWS spam should be enough hopefully for large pulls, was worried about AoE's, thanks. and anyway, wd/s been a tank or not, doesn't matter right? thanks for the replies.

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Thursday, April 18th 2013, 2:23am

Quoted from "marcelcrazy2;598354"

hm, so frantic briar has an 8x aggro multiplier as well with SoTO out? awesome, that + cross chop and PoTWS spam should be enough hopefully for large pulls, was worried about AoE's, thanks. and anyway, wd/s been a tank or not, doesn't matter right? thanks for the replies.


Yep. Doesn't say on the tooltip though, but when you test it out you see it.
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Monday, July 22nd 2013, 6:37pm

So is it easier to tank as a wd/s or a wd/w? Also which one does better dps when your trying to dps? Sorry i know it not related to tanking but im just confused. ?(
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Tuesday, July 23rd 2013, 4:04pm

As for tanking all the way WD/W, aggro is much higher. As for DPS.... Well first of all without some DPS EQ it still will be hard, first of all summoning Chirion without full DPS set IMO is pointless, so you loose tons of pet DPS on WD/S, as for the rest it depends how hard is instance and if you count only yours DPS of PT DPS, as Morale Boost works for 6 PPL instead of only you.



I would say, if there is tank, that can hold your aggro, than WD/W is better DPS, if you are using tank gear to DPS WD/W is better DPS (as you would also hold aggro), on DPS set without good enough tank (and it will be very hard to find one) WD/S will outDPS WD/W, as second one will outAggro tank and die (of course you can just spam CC+Slash and aggro problem would be really small, but you will also loose DPS of DC).

Besides if you intend to make 2 gear sets I would rather go with W/WD.
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