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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 4:05am

This forum is so dead...

Scouts are just so boring now aren't they?

Well, I want to spice up this forum a little. If anyone could answer my questions i'd be very grateful.

1. How are scouts actually doing? Are they pretty balanced now?
(my view, because i'm very a very opinionated person.)

I feel S/wd is really the only viable scout currently. And this kind of irks me because Scout is a DPS/Support class.

2. How is the gear ratio compared to rogues? Are we getting some lame gear in comparison or is it pretty fair? Aswell as the item set skills, are they pretty par?

I can't really put my opinion on this, as I don't know, which is why I ask. :P

3. Do people complain about scouts at all?

I don't really hear or see anyone talking about scouts anymore. I barely even see any scouts really. It's very disturbing.

That's all I'd like to know currently. Thank you for your time.
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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 4:17am

Quoted from "Mamn00n;596387"

Scouts are just so boring now aren't they?

Well, I want to spice up this forum a little. If anyone could answer my questions i'd be very grateful.

1. How are scouts actually doing? Are they pretty balanced now?
(my view, because i'm very a very opinionated person.)

I feel S/wd is really the only viable scout currently. And this kind of irks me because Scout is a DPS/Support class.

2. How is the gear ratio compared to rogues? Are we getting some lame gear in comparison or is it pretty fair? Aswell as the item set skills, are they pretty par?

I can't really put my opinion on this, as I don't know, which is why I ask. :P

3. Do people complain about scouts at all?

I don't really hear or see anyone talking about scouts anymore. I barely even see any scouts really. It's very disturbing.

That's all I'd like to know currently. Thank you for your time.


Scouts, and when I say Scouts I really just mean S/wdn, are about 10x better in siege war than in anywhere else in the game. Most people wouldn't play a Scout in PvE, they'd play the opposite. Wdn/s or R/wdn or R/S. It's *viable* dps, but it's certainly not gonna be on top.
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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 4:45am

So, you are saying S/wd is really the only viable Scout combo. Why is this forum not overrun with threads complaining about how scouts are under-powered?

How can one class have only viable combination. And even then a combination that is beat by just swapping classes?

Scouts may have ruled for A chapter, but that doesn't mean they should get shunned indefinitely.
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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 5:29am

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So, you are saying S/wd is really the only viable Scout combo. Why is this forum not overrun with threads complaining about how scouts are under-powered?

How can one class have only viable combination. And even then a combination that is beat by just swapping classes?

Scouts may have ruled for A chapter, but that doesn't mean they should get shunned indefinitely.


Because those that stayed Scouts complained throughout Ch 4 and nothing was done. So they just quit trying. Also from the way the new Xbow looks on Item Preview, Scouts may be facing a nerf due to weapons.
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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 9:24pm

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Because those that stayed Scouts complained throughout Ch 4 and nothing was done. So they just quit trying. Also from the way the new Xbow looks on Item Preview, Scouts may be facing a nerf due to weapons.


That's really pathetic.

I'm going to complain and petition my way to a rebalance on scouts. It's looking like chapter 1 all over again.

Scouts have always gotten the weakest weapons, and they are now underpowered, outclassed, and seemingly useless. And still they plan on nerfing what is already nerfed.

But first I'd like some more information on scouts. So if anyone has any other input on what could be put in to balance scouts, it would be much appreciated.
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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 9:32pm

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That's really pathetic.

I'm going to complain and petition my way to a rebalance on scouts. It's looking like chapter 1 all over again.

Scouts have always gotten the weakest weapons, and they are now underpowered, outclassed, and seemingly useless. And still they plan on nerfing what is already nerfed.

But first I'd like some more information on scouts. So if anyone has any other input on what could be put in to balance scouts, it would be much appreciated.



Scouts are still less screwed than mages :/
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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 9:37pm

Is that so? How is that?
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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 10:48pm

I still play scout because I enjoy the class but yeah they need some help for sure. I am a s/r. Scouts don't get a dex multiplyer for their skills. They cannot use raid runes. Either way i still enjoy the class but I don't out dps many classes besides the tank or healer unless they are undergeared.

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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 10:53pm

Scouts aren't bad, just need to be geared and know your class, i know a few scouts that top the charts vs rogues and mages, but they nvr gave up on their class combo and know it very well. Will a scout get beat by most other dps classes yes, because alot of ppl dont take the time to learn a good rotation for their scouts or take the time to gear their scout right

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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 10:54pm

Scouts are pretty much in the same boat with mages, imo. For 15s or so they can dps with some of the best, but after that thier dps drops like a rock. S/wd just has the best sustaining dps of any scout because of it's elites.

Pvp wise S/k just got buffed .. well rather un-nerfed as disarm is ranged dps for them again. Also joint blow/throat attack have much better range but it seems like most people are too busy with DICYE to use them, lol.

Pve wise I havent seen much of scouts. Granted in my guild the two scouts we have are pretty good but a half decent w/m out does them with only one button. There was one s/r/w i used to pug with alot, but now he's rolled r/s and never looked back.

I think there was a thread somewhere about how they could put a little more 'oomph' into scouts again, but I forgot where it was/too lazy to find it atm.
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Wednesday, April 3rd 2013, 11:04pm

S/R is still viable, as well as S/Wr. No, you won't top the scrut, but you do have sustained damage and a decent burn phase. Imo if they raised Ranged Weapon Mastery's damage portion by about ~10% they would be fine.

S/Wd is just beast in PvP, but it always has been. Just even more so now. Although Ranged Charged Chop should do ~15% less damage, and leave the rest as is. Most scouts are viable in siege due to detection alone, although smart rogues know all the ways to bypass it. But thats what eyes are for.

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Thursday, April 4th 2013, 3:22am

So, pretty much everyone can conclude that scouts are pretty bad off.

I understand that if you gear right, and you practice your rotation right, you will do more DPS as a scout. Rotation is very important aswell as statting for a scout. And that's one of the reason's why I was a better scout than everyone on my server in chapter 3.

But still, playing a scout takes a lot more time and effort as is to play. I like that about scouts, and I don't want that to change. But what I think scouts do need is proper rebalancing.

I understand S/wd is very good in siege war, but that's 1 hour out of a 24 hour day. I also understand there's 2 PvP servers, but that's 2 of 6 (i think maybe 7 idk) servers. Which is still only 33% of the servers. AND even then, that's 1 class combination of hundreds.

After reading the responses to this thread, i'm already on a mission to find, pinpoint, and mathematically figure out a very reasonable and just way that scouts can get rebalanced. If anyone has any input on how they think scouts could get rebalanced, feel free to send it my way, or post it on here for criticism.
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Thursday, April 4th 2013, 3:31am

I miss you Noony.

That's all. If anyone can get them to fix scouts... well. Different rock, same mountain.
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Thursday, April 4th 2013, 3:33am

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I miss you Noony.

That's all. If anyone can get them to fix scouts... well. Different rock, same mountain.


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Thursday, April 4th 2013, 3:34am

s/r has exploiting shot and s/warrior has target lock, not going to be on top dps, but still helpful.

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Thursday, April 4th 2013, 3:42am

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Thursday, April 4th 2013, 3:42am

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s/r has exploiting shot and s/warrior has target lock, not going to be on top dps, but still helpful.


Even if exploiting shot, and sapping arrows made up for the DPS lost on a scout in a group compared to if the s/r was replaced by a r/s or a w/m or whatever is OP these days. It still requires the S/r to be in a group to do major DPS. And that DPS isn't even coming from the Scout.

S/w is even worse off than s/r.

And even then, scout is a Primary DPS class. Not support, all of scouts' support skills come from elites.
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Thursday, April 4th 2013, 6:55pm

s/m might be viable if its elites were guaranteed instead of being sooooo randomly iffy.

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Friday, April 5th 2013, 1:32am

I have played S/Wd mostly in siege and pve since i started playing rom. I finally got my rog to 77 a couple days ago. Using the exact same gear aside from weapons my r/wd is doing the same dps as my s/wd but my r/wd is using a tier 4 dagger and my s/wd is using a t11 crossbow. Im mostly sta/patk statted using 4 vs 2 dex/pattk because i like siege and i only have 1 set of gear. So my dex is low for a rog and already doing the same dps with an untiered dagger.

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Friday, April 5th 2013, 1:41am

I play S/Wd in PvP only because of detection.
I play S/Wd or S/R in PvE only when the boss has a complex strat that requires range and/or running.

These are dark days for scouts.