New r/wd looking for advice

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Friday, April 5th 2013, 8:48pm

Just got my rogue/warden to 77 a few days ago and i have limited TP and alot of work to do.

So far all my skills are at around 65 except wound attack is 70

Shadowstab 65
Throw 65
Nimble hands 65
low blow 65
wound attack 70
blind spot 65
weak point strike 65
crazed creed 65
combo throw 65

My question is what to level next. Im considering leveling the 2 passive's first since they will increase all dps skills dmg but not sure if thats better then just maxing wound attack or blind spot first etc.

What do you think?

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String0333

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Friday, April 5th 2013, 11:09pm

I do not see Charged Chop? That should be +77 asap!

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Nito

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Friday, April 5th 2013, 11:47pm

oh ya forgot that one, charged chop maxed . still working on tier stones though so I'm using a tier 4 dagger still but dps still the same as my s/wd with tier 11 chow =/

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yaser

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Saturday, April 6th 2013, 1:53am

Scouts are offically extinct from Osha (from endgame runs anyway)

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Blade187

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Saturday, April 6th 2013, 9:31am

Dont see Blood Thirsty Blade there either.

Personally i would upgrade low blow over wound attack but thats just me....

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Ravesden

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Saturday, April 6th 2013, 11:38am

Quoted from "Blade187;596719"

Dont see Blood Thirsty Blade there either.

Personally i would upgrade low blow over wound attack but thats just me....

No. Wrong.

As a R/Wd you'll be leaching bleeds, (otherwise you're truly playing the class wrong). Wound Attack should be your 2nd most hit skill right under Charged Chop. WA hits 3 times when all prereq bleeds are applied > low blow. Throw/combo throw should be your fillers along with weak point. Basically SS/LB are only used for upkeep on their bleeds (if no other rogues are doing it. R/Wd lb costs 30 energy).

Bloodthirsty blade is not very mana efficient. Better spent on Charged Chops, which you should be proc'ing almost 1 for 1 for each of your rogue general/primary skills.

WA > Low blow, in every situation, for every rogue class.

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Amberwave

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Saturday, April 6th 2013, 5:11pm

Ravesden is right on. Let me just add, Bloodthirsty Blade is a mana eater, 3% of your mana as I recall. Most end game bosses have heavy crit resistance, at 72% crit, I crit about 33% of the time, so I do not see the extra crit buff worth the mana. POWS is a skill you want to use every 20 seconds for the 5% damage boost. I leveled mine, I do not play warden, so all my TP went into my warden general skills, but Charged Chop is the most important one there. CC/POWS share a cooldown and do not cause global cooldown. Throw, Combo Throw, and your 60/60 heal skill (once you get it) also do not cause global cooldown. Lots of quick attacks. I have Weak Point Strike at the bottom of my rotation, (I have only ever seen it crit or not crit, I have never seen it hit the "Weak Point") and use it when CC, Throw and Combo Throw are on cooldown and I am out of energy.

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Nito

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Saturday, April 6th 2013, 7:55pm

I didnt put any tp into Blood Thirsty Blade because of the 3% mana thing,i already run out of mana fast in a semi long fight.

I was giving weak point strike more priority then combo throw because i hate that 1 sec cast bar lol but ill try it the other way around.

And wound attack is usualy my 2nd biggest dps on the scrut.

But back to my first question should i just max wound attack first or do you think doing the 2 passivs first would help over all dps more then just maxing wound attack first? Since they will increase all the skills dmg by a small amount vs increasing just 1 skill by a small amount?

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Amberwave

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Saturday, April 6th 2013, 9:43pm

When I leveled Nimble Hands, I did actually see more white hits, so I think it is worth it. I do not remember what my Crazed Creed level is. It is in the 9.4% - 9.5% range. I stopped putting TP into it right now, it is alot for .1% more crit damage when I only crit a third of the time. WA, LB and Nimble Hands seems good to me. (#!TP Farming Tosh)

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tyrr

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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 10:30pm

Bloodthirsty blade is useless. Save mana for charged chop.
Nimble Hands made Rogue secondary OP for years until cheap Raid runes showed up.
With physical dps attack speed = raw dps increase. Try to get Raid X and Nimble Hands maxed. Points in Nimble Hands will give you more than upgrading WA or LB individually.

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Blade187

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Monday, April 8th 2013, 2:05am

meh, as I said just a personal thing. My R/wd is only my alt, but cc and blood thirsty blade i spam together.. as for mana thats what pots are for.

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Ravesden

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Tuesday, April 9th 2013, 8:46pm

Quoted from "Blade187;596986"

meh, as I said just a personal thing. My R/wd is only my alt, but cc and blood thirsty blade i spam together.. as for mana thats what pots are for.

"Personal" is not always optimal

Also, that wouldn't be optimal regardless. Blood Thirsty Blade is a filler attack. You'd be doing more damage with wound attack/throw/combo throw.

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Yambag4life

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Wednesday, April 10th 2013, 4:27pm

I use weakpoint strike and blood thirsty blade when low on energy and throw/ct are on cd. they all weave in nicely with a good rotation.

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sadakko

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Wednesday, April 10th 2013, 9:49pm

Quoted from "Yambag4life;597257"

I use weakpoint strike and blood thirsty blade when low on energy and throw/ct are on cd. they all weave in nicely with a good rotation.

R/wd here.

I don't have combo throw in my rotation because of the 1s channeled cast time, I rather do an extra CHarged chop + filler skill.

As for my opinion on r/wd. Max out WA and the crit skills, bleeds u can leech so it's not that important. If you want to maximize DPS, lean toward blindspot if You're not lazy.

Wd/r rocks.

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Blade187

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Thursday, April 11th 2013, 5:45am

Quoted from "Ravesden;597170"

"Personal" is not always optimal

Thats why I tagged it as Personal... not hey the optimal rotation is......

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Nito

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Thursday, April 11th 2013, 11:56pm

Ok i did add bloodthirsty blade to the bottom of my rotation so it will be used when nothing else can.

One question about combo throw,it has no gcd and a 1 sec cast,so isnt it basically the same as any skill with a gcd?

Charged chop then combo throw then charged chop then another skill

would take the same time as, 1 sec cast vs 1 sec gcd on other skills

charged chop then blind spot then charged chop then another skill

so your not really missing out on an extra charged chop since cc has its own 1 sec cd as soon as combo throw is finished casting then you get another cc and another skill right after. Plus combo throw with both hits is pretty stong compared to the other attacks.

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Amberwave

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Friday, April 12th 2013, 4:21pm

I have Throw and Combo Throw near the bottom of my rotation, and they go off every 4 sec, because everything else is on cooldown. I CC, SS, Throw, Combo Throw, CC, LB about as fast as I can hit the keys on my opening attack. I make no claim as to having the best rotation, but it works well. I tested with and without Combo Throw and my DPS was better with it.

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Yambag4life

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Friday, April 12th 2013, 5:29pm

Silly epeeners. open with PoWTS to get the the added dmg boost to you and your party

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Ascher

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Friday, April 12th 2013, 7:55pm

Quoted from "Nito;597402"

Ok i did add bloodthirsty blade to the bottom of my rotation so it will be used when nothing else can.

One question about combo throw,it has no gcd and a 1 sec cast,so isnt it basically the same as any skill with a gcd?

Charged chop then combo throw then charged chop then another skill

would take the same time as, 1 sec cast vs 1 sec gcd on other skills

charged chop then blind spot then charged chop then another skill

so your not really missing out on an extra charged chop since cc has its own 1 sec cd as soon as combo throw is finished casting then you get another cc and another skill right after. Plus combo throw with both hits is pretty stong compared to the other attacks.

The interesting thing about combo throw is that it functions as a channeled skill in the capacity that you can interrupt it, yet if you interrupt it at about the .6 second mark or so you'll still get your second throw off while cancelling the channel and going into your next attack. In other words, if you time it right you can get about 3 hits in in the span of a second or so. Alternatively, you can cancel immediately as the bar comes up and still get the first throw off, since the throws go at start of cast and half into cast.

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