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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 3:49pm

Something for Wl/R to know

While Shadow Stab becomes ranged and mDmg with the level 20 elite, it is still based on weapon speed. Discovered this today when I noticed the weapon swing speed was the rate at which my SS was being cast as well. I had Nimble Hands on the Rogue side at level zero, so I dropped 50 levels worth of TP (7% speed increase) into that skill, switched back to Warlock and spammed SS on a few mobs. The result was a faster SS spam rate.
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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 6:44pm

Quoted from "SkyFyre;596871"

While Shadow Stab becomes ranged and mDmg with the level 20 elite, it is still based on weapon speed. Discovered this today when I noticed the weapon swing speed was the rate at which my SS was being cast as well. I had Nimble Hands on the Rogue side at level zero, so I dropped 50 levels worth of TP (7% speed increase) into that skill, switched back to Warlock and spammed SS on a few mobs. The result was a faster SS spam rate.


Aren't all skills supposed to be based on GCD? 1 second in between SS, period? Not affected by weapon speed o.o
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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 6:46pm

Quoted from "Borella;596917"

Aren't all skills supposed to be based on GCD? 1 second in between SS, period? Not affected by weapon speed o.o

yes...i am curious as well now...

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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 7:29pm

I'm not talking about the 1sec GCD, GCD would end, and I still would not cast a new SS until the weapon speed would allow me to. With 50 levels into Nimble Hands though I am now casting SS at GCD speed.
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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 7:37pm

Quoted from "SkyFyre;596926"

I'm not talking about the 1sec GCD, GCD would end, and I still would not cast a new SS until the weapon speed would allow me to. With 50 levels into Nimble Hands though I am now casting SS at GCD speed.


that must only be a wl/r problem, as i play rogue in pvp often, and have never experienced this...i may have to do some testing...

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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 10:31pm

Quoted from "SkyFyre;596926"

I'm not talking about the 1sec GCD, GCD would end, and I still would not cast a new SS until the weapon speed would allow me to. With 50 levels into Nimble Hands though I am now casting SS at GCD speed.


as far as I'm aware, attack speed increases don't actually make you attack faster, they just boost your attack speed for the purpose of dps calculations. On top of that, attack speed shouldn't affect your skill speed at all, like borella said.
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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 10:40pm

Quoted from "Ascher;596946"

as far as I'm aware, attack speed increases don't actually make you attack faster, they just boost your attack speed for the purpose of dps calculations. On top of that, attack speed shouldn't affect your skill speed at all, like borella said.


there ARE some skills that have a variable CD depending on weapon speed, but i don't know why wl/r would have one...

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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 11:23pm

Shot is based off attack speed. ranged that is, pop a strong stim and no CD on it spammed 3-4 yesterday in 1 second with good timing.

Edit to add: The sad thing is...... the most restricting thing in this game is....... animation speed..... pop a fullness pot and watch your dps go down. /handstand ftw

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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 11:33pm

Quoted from "pwnsnoobs;596953"

Shot is based off attack speed. ranged that is, pop a strong stim and no CD on it spammed 3-4 yesterday in 1 second with good timing.

yep that is why m/s get the fastest bow possible to spam shot faster.

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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 11:45pm

Quoted from "pwnsnoobs;596953"

Shot is based off attack speed. ranged that is, pop a strong stim and no CD on it spammed 3-4 yesterday in 1 second with good timing.

Edit to add: The sad thing is...... the most restricting thing in this game is....... animation speed..... pop a fullness pot and watch your dps go down. /handstand ftw

and autoshot...but yeah, those depend on weapon speed, so skills do exist, just still not sure why a wl/r has one...

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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 11:47pm

I'm curious. Since the attack speed decreases the CD time on it, does it also increase the damage it deals?

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Sunday, April 7th 2013, 11:57pm

Quoted from "Rossbot;596958"

I'm curious. Since the attack speed decreases the CD time on it, does it also increase the damage it deals?


some1 test with some strong stims, and slow/fast weapons, i'm curious as to the results...

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Monday, April 8th 2013, 12:41am

When I added Nimble Hands my damage didn't increase or decrease. Was the same damage, just at a faster rate. Only decided to share for those wondering if a Staff would be better than a Wand/Dag combo.
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Monday, April 8th 2013, 12:51am

Quoted from "SkyFyre;596966"

When I added Nimble Hands my damage didn't increase or decrease. Was the same damage, just at a faster rate. Only decided to share for those wondering if a Staff would be better than a Wand/Dag combo.


interesting...if u use attack speed buffs, does it go below GCD?

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Monday, April 8th 2013, 2:19am

Will have to get around to testing that... Would be kind of nice lol
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Monday, April 8th 2013, 2:35am

Quoted from "SkyFyre;596987"

Will have to get around to testing that... Would be kind of nice lol


i'll have to test with my wl/w and slash(same effect as SS, turns to mdam)...couple more days and i can log into RoM to test, if some1 wants to go ahead before then, feel free, i'd like to hear the results...

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Monday, April 8th 2013, 4:59am

I can cast Warp Charge, which at level 50 increases physical attack speed by 12%... I hit an at level mob 5 times but it only has enough hp to take 2 hits from me...
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Monday, April 8th 2013, 12:56pm

From personal observations on my r/s/m, the attack speed of a toon (including passives, pots, instrus) lets the skills activate faster, apart from increasing melee dps. I v noticed many many times that with lute+stimulant the standard combo ss-lb-wa can be activated in between 2-3 secs instead of 3 secs (standard gcd).

Yes, the coding of the game is really messed up.
Yes, the developing team is unable to decipher their own scripts.
Just increase ur attack speed and enjoy increased dps, faster white hits and faster skills-activation.

I have no idea about wl/r and how it affects ss, but i understand if ppl experience faster ss-spamming.

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Monday, April 8th 2013, 7:14pm

I just want to say, the Wl/R Shadowstab is weird...just weird. Does not appear to follow anybodies thinking on how it should behave. Never did see a good explanation on why this skill seems to miss so much.

And R/Wl elites Soul Stab and Ghostly strike....main hand magical DPS...just weird
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Monday, April 8th 2013, 7:48pm

GCD is not the 1 second everybody thinks it is...1 sec is usually just a good approximation...even w/o speed buffs, gcd seems be be more like .75 sec for me...and BTW, I have never had gcd decrease with speed buffs...its is always set at just under a second for me...