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Knights got a whole re-vamp, with skill changes, more aggro gen, some DPS, more cc. But, it was not in this patch but a previous one.

One sec while I go find...

Here i think Patch Notes 5.0.9

the mighty shield sucked...new ch6 knights actually decent

The reason people said Knights sucked was because Champion and Warden could tank just as well (if not better), and still do way more DPS.

Champions have AoE's that can keep running during a fight, allowing them to pull top DPS in party while tanking if there are lots of mobs. Also, Champions can choose either DPS or tank with one set of gear, because Shield Form allows them to convert Str to Stam. Warden/W have a lv 70 elite that increases their damage by 50% for 30 seconds AND reduced damage taken by 30% AND reduces aggro of party members. Different choices for secondary class for wardens allows them to play different roles. While a Wd/W is a good tank, and Wd/S is a good DPS. Whereas Knights... well, they have no choice but tank.

In siege, with 40k Pdef: The hardest a Knight has ever hitted me was 65k. The hardest a Champion tank ever hitted me was 190k... (And from Palenque too, wonder how much a Reni or Artemis one will hit me...). A DPS statted Warden/Scout has hitted me for 200k Charged Chop (which is now instant cast and spammable).

Ruisen hating on the palenque people, doesnt ruisen know that palenque has the BEST ch/r's? at least the highest dpsing ones.

I think artemis has the best ch/m. but in seriousness to answer your questions.

1. No knights weren't nerfed, wardens jsut got buffed ( could wear plate and such) and they came out with a new class called champion.

2. Yes knights were revamped and imo have and always will be the best tank ingame, as far as TANK and not tank + dps.

3. I sitll think knight can get the most pdef partially b/c of the stamina buff. If you want to go by most pdef for liek a few seconds than i bleie it'd still be a w/k in plate gear. We hae a knight that can buff over 1m pdef easily on palenque.

5. Some changes that were made were dps, better aggro skills, they changed their sheild skills and some others ims ure im forgetting,

Quoted from "gigilomann"

Ruisen hating on the palenque people, doesnt ruisen know that palenque has the BEST ch/r's? at least the highest dpsing ones.

I think artemis has the best ch/m. but in seriousness to answer your questions.

1. No knights weren't nerfed, wardens jsut got buffed ( could wear plate and such) and they came out with a new class called champion.

2. Yes knights were revamped and imo have and always will be the best tank ingame, as far as TANK and not tank + dps.

3. I sitll think knight can get the most pdef partially b/c of the stamina buff. If you want to go by most pdef for liek a few seconds than i bleie it'd still be a w/k in plate gear. We hae a knight that can buff over 1m pdef easily on palenque.

5. Some changes that were made were dps, better aggro skills, they changed their sheild skills and some others ims ure im forgetting,

I only hate Palenque mages and druids lol. Everytime I pop my burn phase against a palenque tank, and about to deliver my final blow, a mage alway shows up and one shot me T_T Then druid walks in, and tank goes back to full HP in 2 seconds.

And the big problem with Knights is their DPS. If you're talking about reallly gered Knights that can get over 1m Pdef, there are really geared Wardens that can do that too, and probably still do twice the DPS. We had a bad pull of 4 mobs in KBNH once and everyone except tank died. With a phoenix, warden tank just took down all the mobs in 3 mins. If that was a Knight, I think I'll go take a nap first... by next morning he might still be killing the mobs...

Thats the thing ruisen, knights arent made to dps, they're made to take hits. Some people forget what a tank is supposed to do.

Quoted from "gigilomann"

Thats the thing ruisen, knights arent made to dps, they're made to take hits. Some people forget what a tank is supposed to do.

But when other tank classes can take hits just as well, and still way out-DPS knights... there's a problem.

Well the difference between knight and other tanking classes is that the first is designed to build aggro and the others to build up aggro by DPS. The question is if there is unbalance. In my opinion not, well there is no unbalance between classes, but there is if we put them in instance environment. What I mean is that WD (I am playing WD/W, so don't know it's same with champ just suppose so) have to sacrifice much from his patt to acquire as much Hp/Def as knight (steady buff). The problem is that you don't need this Def nor HP during boss fight at all. Moreover if you simply burn boss, you can do it on full DPS gear, and skills will do the rest (Coat of Arms, Elven Guidance....). Therefore you can simply have statted your char with plenty of patt and still tank bosses and trash, while it should be only possible on knight. Not to mention that I can tank using 2 different styles and have probably same aggro after 30s and X or 2X DMG done, of course I sacrifice some of my early aggro, but still I can have some reserve.


IMO knight should simply get some passive for wep or new instances bosses/mobs should get much more attack value and the second option sounds more reasonable to me.

Knight/Warrior if you want something that is now similar to Warden/Warrior and Champion/whatever tanks.

Massive Damage with 2H , insane OP target debuff (41% more damage to target - from all sources) , massive survivability through parry even on 2H weapon - (remember: parry works on skills, dodge only on autoattacks - we're in PvE here)

Knight/Priest if you want the super ultimate defense machine. (Priest Aura, Battlerezz , heal, group pdef/mdef + de-aggro +self-aggro buff + immunity against another hit + lifebuff ....etc)

Quoted from "gigilomann"

Ruisen hating on the palenque people, doesnt ruisen know that palenque has the BEST ch/r's? at least the highest dpsing ones.

I believe that honor belongs to Jlin from Heretic, actually :p

Quoted from "Borella"

Quoted from "gigilomann"

Ruisen hating on the palenque people, doesnt ruisen know that palenque has the BEST ch/r's? at least the highest dpsing ones.

I believe that honor belongs to Jlin from Heretic, actually :p

Not that it matters, but well have to figure it out Mizzetto vs. Jlin

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

The reason people said Knights sucked was because Champion and Warden could tank just as well (if not better), and still do way more DPS.

Champions have AoE's that can keep running during a fight, allowing them to pull top DPS in party while tanking if there are lots of mobs. Also, Champions can choose either DPS or tank with one set of gear, because Shield Form allows them to convert Str to Stam. Warden/W have a lv 70 elite that increases their damage by 50% for 30 seconds AND reduced damage taken by 30% AND reduces aggro of party members. Different choices for secondary class for wardens allows them to play different roles. While a Wd/W is a good tank, and Wd/S is a good DPS. Whereas Knights... well, they have no choice but tank.

In siege, with 40k Pdef: The hardest a Knight has ever hitted me was 65k. The hardest a Champion tank ever hitted me was 190k... (And from Palenque too, wonder how much a Reni or Artemis one will hit me...). A DPS statted Warden/Scout has hitted me for 200k Charged Chop (which is now instant cast and spammable).

i dont think reni has that many dwarfs at all at least i never see them if i do and usually dont see them in sw either ik like 4 people with dwarfs as a main