Best DPS class for warrior?

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Friday, July 19th 2013, 12:30am

As a human. So don't bother listing something with Druid or Warden.

I don't want to go magic dps, so no W/M for me.

But what would be the most advantageous secondary for a warrior wanting to do DPS. I don't plan to tank, if that specifies a bit more.

Thanks; I look forward to hearing suggestions.

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Feanwyn

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Friday, July 19th 2013, 12:46am

Warrior/Rogue. Second (and not by much) in physical dps for warrior only to Warrior/Warden, which you have already excluded. It's a blast to play. Plus dual wielding looks BA. and it also generates rage quicker, which is nice. W/P is not that great in terms of dps and W/S isnt BAD persay, but they have real trouble with rage generation. As a W/R, you always have skills to use, and your dps reflects that. Oh and W/K isn't that bad at dps if you really wanted to try it I guess, but it's mainly for tank which you've also already excluded.

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Friday, July 19th 2013, 1:11am

Quoted from "Feanwyn"

Warrior/Rogue. Second (and not by much) in physical dps for warrior only to Warrior/Warden, which you have already excluded. It's a blast to play. Plus dual wielding looks BA. and it also generates rage quicker, which is nice. W/P is not that great in terms of dps and W/S isnt BAD persay, but they have real trouble with rage generation. As a W/R, you always have skills to use, and your dps reflects that. Oh and W/K isn't that bad at dps if you really wanted to try it I guess, but it's mainly for tank which you've also already excluded.

Thanks, that's really helpful. I have another alt I started that is W/Wd because of all the great things I keep hearing about it. But I also wanted to try a human Warrior class combination.
So W/R generates rage quicker? That's definitely a plus. I don't focus on dps on my main character...I'm a healing p/k. So this stuff is all very new to me.

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Feanwyn

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Friday, July 19th 2013, 1:39am

Yeah the offhand weapon adds a little more rage generation, plus the faster attack swings. Shadowstab's bleed also becomes useable with axes, and throw is pretty useful for range too now that its based off mainhand weapon damage. Plus a skill that saves you from death once, and a few great attacking elites. All in all, it's spectacular for dps, and probly the best for humans that you'll find. It's also possible to use a 2-h weapon like most other warriors and does this very well for better burst dps, but dual wielding gives you better sustained dps thanks to the increased rage generation.

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Friday, July 19th 2013, 8:10am

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Thalione

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Friday, July 19th 2013, 7:33pm

w/wd > w/p > w/s > w/r

and if we go human in your case:

w/p > w/s > w/r

although w/s is very squishy with blood arrow and being melee so i recommend you trying w/p

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HeroChao

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Friday, July 19th 2013, 8:36pm

Quoted from "Thalione"

w/wd > w/p > w/s > w/r

and if we go human in your case:

w/p > w/s > w/r

although w/s is very squishy with blood arrow and being melee so i recommend you trying w/p

Hmm that's interesting. When I tried to search on other websites and forums, I read that w/p was the "worst" warrior combination. Then again, I was reading older content. Did something change to make w/p the better dps now?

Also, why would w/wd be the best (if we are talking about elves)? What is the play style like?
I heard that combination was considered tanky.

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Saturday, July 20th 2013, 3:15am

W/WD has additionally spammable Charged Chop (form Warden) almost 700% DPS + elites that uses mana. Extra physical attack from Savage Power (17% for 30s) and Surprise Attack (18%/6s). Another elite increases DMG on beasts and humanoids. As for other Warriors instead of magic W/M, in my opinion they are weak and this is not possible to make endgame lvl DPS on any other combination.

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Saturday, July 20th 2013, 12:46pm

hes clearly asking about human class combos ffs peoples read the damn comments... stop commenting on elf combos.

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Feanwyn

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Saturday, July 20th 2013, 5:13pm

Why is W/P>W/R? I'm looking through the elites and I don't really see anything that would make them so spectacular. Is it the rage generation? I had forgotten about the blood arrow boost to melee damage for W/S so I can see that being powerful, but the W/P not so much.

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Thalione

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 10:01am

w/p has elite skill (lvl 50) which increases damage dealt of slash and probing by almost double, so you basically end up with 900% dp spamable skill in burst.

-increased attack speed with 70 elite
-opportunity elite skill

i forgot about w/champ with slash spam but no point of debating this combo here since op asked for human combo.

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achilleas1

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 11:28am

- about if dual-wielding regenerates more rage, the answer is no. ppl get the perception that they get more rage, yet they just have smaller intervals between rage acquisition. u get the same rage in a time window either if u dual wield or if u use 2h weapon. for example: with 2h u may get 20 rage per 2secs, and with dual wield 10 rage per sec [number r artificial, just to show the connection]. but u get the same rage in total, just that with dual wield u get "less but more frequently"
- a dps statted w/k can be a beast with extreme endurance. not the best warrior dps combo but depends on the balance u want to have between damage and survivability. receiving 1/3 damage for 1/2 your play-time and mp-spammable dps skill is no joke.

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Feanwyn

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 2:13pm

Dual-wielding does generate more rage. The perception you are referring to is the difference between 2-h weapons and 1-h weapons, which have equal rage generation despite having different attack speeds. However, W/R, which is capable of using two 1-h weapons does experience faster rage generation. Go try it out, it's true because every white hit generates rage, and since a single 2-h weapon generates approximately the same rage as a single 1-h weapon, dual wielding, which gives an extra white hit, also gives extra rage.

I agree with the W/K thing. They're pretty sweet. K/W actually isn't too bad either, but that's another story. With W/K I don't really see the point of Shield Bash. It just seems weak compared to the general skills W/K get.

W/P - I didn't even see that on my second scan through of skills until I looked reeeaaally close lol. I can see how that would be useful, but how long does the fear effect last?

Since they all seem to be competitive, try them out and use what you like lol.

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KatalanOrk

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 4:09pm

White hits generate about 7 Rage per second (I think just under) regardless of mainhand weapon speed. Off-hand whites do the same, but with off-hand penalty imposed (-40%) so gives about 4.2 Rage per second. And this passively, as long as you are in a range of 30.

Compare this to W/P Blood Lust and Blood Retention that gives 30+15 Rage every 10 seconds (4.5 Rage per second), requires two Elite skills, 10% of your HP every 10 seconds, and must be manually activated. At least you can do it at whatever range you want though.

Dual Wielding for W/R is an awesome boost to the combo.

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pietroasp

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 4:58pm

Well even if rage regeneration do not depends on wep type, than still you have additional powerful skill, 70 elite gives you attack speed permanent buff although DK how big the buff is and still 1h DPS is lower than 2h. The only and huge disadvantage is that there isn't any non-rage DPS skill on W/P. The question IMO is not if W/P is stronger than W/R during burn, but how long can he keep up after...

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 5:18pm

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W/P was one of the really big losers of Chapter 4. The main issue that most people had with the W/P was that Bloodlust took 20% HP to generate 30 Rage. It was argued that this was just too high once the HP values of endgame toons became so high. W/P is another combo that has no real non-Rage skills, so relied on giving up HP for Rage to use skills and had Opportunity as a big hitting skill to augment the normal Warrior attacks. W/P also has a nice interrupt and party buffs. However, Chapter 4 changed Bloodlust to give 30 Rage from 10% HP, but put a 10 sec cool-down on the skill. This severely limited the Rage that could be created, and though still leaves the W/P far better balanced than say W/D as they actually can generate their own Rage and have far more useful skills, it means that their main advantage (limitless Rage) is gone, as is the definitive 'Suicide Button' of the combo. W/P's that I knew liked nothing better than to burn down to 20% health unexpectedly just to scare the bejesus out of the healers.

This could still be a very useful solo quester, but its salvation has actually been its destruction as a relatively useful combo for PvP (Holy Aura and mdmg reduction, though the 'Suicide Button' wouldn't have worked well here), soloing (self-heals) and DPS (limitless Rage).

The new Elite skills I don't think have changed this so much. Given no access to a secondary resource pool for damage, and only so-so Rage generation skills I don't see that W/P can ever be talked about in the same bracket as W/R and W/Wd. Even W/S should have a significant advantage nowadays as two of the shortcomings of that combo (no selfbuff for damage and focus-problems) have been partially addressed by the new Elites. W/P sounds like a real fun combo to play, and people should stick at it if they like it and it suits them. But to call them top DPS I believe is sorely mistaken.

Either that or I am

Edit: and a DW W/R has good Rage generation, good DoTs, and a good balance of Rage/Energy based skills. It should be capable of very good sustained DPS.

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HeroChao

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 7:51pm

Thanks for the answers.

Another question for you all - is W/K - not as a tank - viable in PvP? Especially sw?
I know you guys were talking about the combo a few posts up, but I'm wondering if it's really a good non-tanking class.

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Feanwyn

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 8:19pm

It's not a top dps, even if stated as one from what I can tell. It isn't BAD dps though, as it does at least have spammable mana based attacks, but it doesn't have any elite skills that directly boost your dps that a warrior can already do, as most of those skills are aimed toward letting the W/K tank.

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HeroChao

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 8:25pm

Quoted from "Feanwyn"

It's not a top dps, even if stated as one from what I can tell. It isn't BAD dps though, as it does at least have spammable mana based attacks, but it doesn't have any elite skills that directly boost your dps that a warrior can already do, as most of those skills are aimed toward letting the W/K tank.

I see, thanks. Your knowledge of classes really saves me a lot of time from rerolling a bunch of different characters and leveling them to test out class...only to find that they aren't viable.
I appreciate the help