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w/m is still VERY good dps, it was only slightly nerfed, but not enough to take it outta one of the highest dps classes in the game IMO.

if ur idea of fun dps is starting the fight and then going to watch tv, then w/m is the class for you...

in all seriousness, it is still perfectly viable dps, but other class are considered to be higher dps and more fun...it's popular because it's easy as heck to play and be competent with...

Quoted from "Cike"

if ur idea of fun dps is starting the fight and then going to watch tv, then w/m is the class for you...

in all seriousness, it is still perfectly viable dps, but other class are considered to be higher dps and more fun...it's popular because it's easy as heck to play and be competent with...

Compaired to mage it is epic fun. You get to actually do strats and move with the boss, can't keep still for long unless you like being a floor tile. In all seriousness, I find w/m to be more fun and interesting than my r/m, both of which are fully geared. Sure, my w/m is stupidly over geared and its always nice destroying my server in dps (not much of a server left so i guess that doesn't count anymore...) but hey...we don't have a single good r/wd or one of those 'better' dps classes lol.

oh, and the whole 'afk and do epic dps' just doesnt work. Sure, you can still do more than a mage in a long fight, but without buffing ER to 3 and keeping it there your dps is next to nothing. Those that complain about a w/m beating them in dps when they go afk simply suck at dps and should just shut the hell up.

yeah agreed on all points Cammo. As someone who used to always play mage, I like the difference between it. It gets old standing back and doing minimal dps after your burn :\.


Also for you saying about it not being the best DPS..... Maybe not, however for someone that has been playing another class, or just coming back, the last thing they want is something that is going to require perfect gearing, a lot of time/money, and a learning curve to worry about at first.

it is definitely powerful, especially for all of us that have been playing mages... the dmg increase is like to us. The best way I see to nerf it is to just alter the weapon masteries and prevent them from using staves/wands. I only say this cause then they could actually do some work on mages weapons without worry about the w/m class.

There are other classes that are higher dps, but I would say w/m is OP when compared to some classes (like mages). That is why I am not going all in on w/m. I am still focusing on my m/w (which I love), but till they nerf w/m, might as well use it and be ready to switch back.

Just like I knew with p/s, all the priests/etc were going p/s, so I knew a nerf was coming. Difference is that we have so many characters, that if they nerf one we just move to another. All the leveling work is pretty much done. If they were to nerf it I would be down since I just leveled mine... but I would just switch back to mage and be no worse off.

I would say though that there is not anywhere near as much rage IG about w/m as there were for scouts, or p/s's. You don't hear about how w/m dominate siege, or how all you need is a group of w/m to clear content. I think Rogues probably still outdps equally geared w/m, and have a great advantage in siege. I would expect rogues to get a hit before w/m. However, you never know. After all w/m already got one "adjustment"

Quoted from "HeroChao"

I know this class combination has been fairly popular recently.

Yeah and nothing really changed about it except 2 more elites were added. Basically, it's not really any different than it's ever been, it's just that during other Chapters a lot of players talked out of their butt about it because they *assumed* it was not a good class. Now that more people did bother to try it, they realize it's not as bad as they assumed that it was. The people that have been playing W/M since Chapter 1 or Chapter 2 already knew this and they already put out great DPS using Electric Attack, as it's always been (and even more obviously so for people on PVP servers).

However, even if people want to call it FotM, there's a lot of disillusioned players floating around that think it's better than it actually is. W/M is still really low on the totem pole and when you look at it holistically, you see a lot of aspects that need improvement and reworking. Honestly, there's just a ton of better class combos out there that are more functional and more enjoyable in terms of balance and game play. Soooo if you pick W/M just understand that you're picking a class that has a ridiculous amount of flaws...probably more than any other combo in the game. Its popularity is more related to people becoming more informed than about the combo making any kind of significant improvement. *smh*

Quoted from "CammoXD"

oh, and the whole 'afk and do epic dps' just doesnt work. Sure, you can still do more than a mage in a long fight, but without buffing ER to 3 and keeping it there your dps is next to nothing.

macros...

ever since beth hm melee nerf, w/m best dps possible in game for beth hm tbh friends. ANything else besides beth hm, then more melee classes still top,

^ Pretty much that although I would say in a very fast burn some melee combos will outdps a w/m in bethhm, but anything beyond say 20 seconds or so a w/m will crush melee.

Just depends on overall group dps.

Well you can easily keep up with W/M at least on W/WD, WD/S, R/M, also outDPSing it during burn. Still requires full gear - without it W/M will outDPS any other class combo.

u guys running with the wrong w/m then sorry. or not strong enough ones. all our dps used to do 1.5 mil to 2 mil per plus dps in beth hm, since melee nerf, melee classes are doing 1 mil or less average depends on how long fight is and who,s in pty ofc, but w/m aint changed.. our w/m do easily 2 mil plus dps all day. not showboating just giving honest answers.

tried mage/warrior recently? *subtle hint*

http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board40…ge/#post4696547
http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board40…ge/#post4699313

in case the links are broken due to seo crap:
post1 links a screen with: ~96k matk @ ~138,5k HP unbuffed, but: 28,6k INT / 22,3k STA [ / 2,5k STR] also unbuffed, all w/o reputation stuff
post2 links a scrut pic from b2 bethomia hm with ~3,3M dps at the end of the fight (~11s roughly but does only show his group) quote:
"boss2 with 50% crits in a slightly longer fight than usual" .. Tornano is Haffimare@Apocalypse

Quoted from "FarmerTom"

u guys running with the wrong w/m then sorry. or not strong enough ones. all our dps used to do 1.5 mil to 2 mil per plus dps in beth hm, since melee nerf, melee classes are doing 1 mil or less average depends on how long fight is and who,s in pty ofc, but w/m aint changed.. our w/m do easily 2 mil plus dps all day. not showboating just giving honest answers.

Could be wrong W/M.

Or the dps you're comparing your W/M to are not exactly up to par. Skill or gear-wise.

Personally believe the 2nd is true. (given that I've ran with almost all current "end game" statted dps at one point or another)

considering our w/m do double racerx dps which is one of your top id say im pretty good. ran with racer other night. all t8 gear with t9 chest r/m and only did half w/m damage? any other questions?
13 mil damage from racer to kazzy 25 mil.... hmmmmmm XD
and besides the fact that you dont even need 100 mil tp on w/m makes it easily fotm class. you can QUEST to lvl 80 and get 100 mil tp ffs. no skill involved. or grind...

fairly certain you weren't even in party unless on another toon. so you're probably seeing select scruts, but that's ok.

the boss fights in that run went well beyond burn phase so yea w/m did quite a bit more compared to me, which is what i said in my above post.

later in the run once we added more dps the fights became significantly shorter and i burned similar to w/m, which is what i also said in my above post.

could be small sample size since ive only done one run outside of guild, but the melee dps in that party kind of disappointed me considering they are geared quite well.

so ur both sort of right. w/m strong, maybe your melee are a bit lacking (from 1 run cant make a judgement on that but as raves said he has more experience with people on server)

gl

well i dont pull random numbers out of my asss i assure you.

and dont forget.. this is JUST beth hm mind you peoples... any other instance in game... w/m NOT top dps yes... by a long shott.... only speaking about beth hm with melee nerf IS ALL.

Quoted from "FarmerTom"

u guys running with the wrong w/m then sorry. or not strong enough ones. all our dps used to do 1.5 mil to 2 mil per plus dps in beth hm, since melee nerf, melee classes are doing 1 mil or less average depends on how long fight is and who,s in pty ofc, but w/m aint changed.. our w/m do easily 2 mil plus dps all day. not showboating just giving honest answers.

Well even without full gear before changes I was able to do 3,5-4M DPS (4-th boss) on my WD/S. Now 1,5-2M is not a problem.... Switching W/WD during burn and I can do still about 3M (ok maybe few sec, but still). Thats the reason some of our W/Ms rerolled to M/W as during burn DPS is higher and we can DPS all bosses except 7-th. We don't even have M/Wl, witch would make huge difference to all melee and probably any to W/Ms and M/Xs.

So maybe you are running with the wrong melee?

Of course on long fights DPS strongly depends on how fast player can burn again, as without anything W/M is catching up and eventually having higher DPS, still some classes can burn again fast enough not to allow W/M catch up at all.

doesnt need a nerf, cause its very hard to stat well and be well rounded, I mean its an understatement you will never rule the siege battlefield like an OP rog, but you can find a niche


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