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Wednesday, July 31st 2013, 10:29pm

2h vs dual wield Ch/r

I finished tiering a Tatha's Iron Light t11, previously I was using Hammer of the Magic Ring t11 with Dim light in offhand. So far obviously it is better in SW. In Dps/tanking I haven't got to test it much, yesterday was first time I brought it in betho hard. It seemed like it was doing a little better dps than dual wield, but I noticed i only have 50/216 2h wep skill so my white hits where missing a ton making it so rune pulse hardly proced. When i max out my 2h skill I'll post some youtube videos comparing the dps of the two.
Chapter 2 Elfuerte M/R reroll s/r chapter 3
Chapter 4 Eldebil S/WD/R
Chapter 5 Mizettto C/R/M/W/WL/P ( Now Wl/m buff alt)
Currently Eldebil WD/W tank/dps or S/WD dps

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Thursday, August 1st 2013, 4:15am

This isn't a end game test, but it is something.

http://youtu.be/6mlp3CH2p9I -- GCHM 1st boss solo 2h hammer


http://youtu.be/Qfmi-KTLeRw --GCHM 1st boss solo dual wield
Chapter 2 Elfuerte M/R reroll s/r chapter 3
Chapter 4 Eldebil S/WD/R
Chapter 5 Mizettto C/R/M/W/WL/P ( Now Wl/m buff alt)
Currently Eldebil WD/W tank/dps or S/WD dps

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Sunday, August 4th 2013, 5:05am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxinquwG560&feature=youtu.be Betho hard 2nd boss, Tanking with 2h wep. Post pdef increase
Chapter 2 Elfuerte M/R reroll s/r chapter 3
Chapter 4 Eldebil S/WD/R
Chapter 5 Mizettto C/R/M/W/WL/P ( Now Wl/m buff alt)
Currently Eldebil WD/W tank/dps or S/WD dps

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Sunday, August 4th 2013, 5:15am

So have you come to any conclusions yet?

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Sunday, August 4th 2013, 5:16am

Yeah 2h is almost always better, only in boss fights like world bosses that make it way past burn will dual wield catch up.
Chapter 2 Elfuerte M/R reroll s/r chapter 3
Chapter 4 Eldebil S/WD/R
Chapter 5 Mizettto C/R/M/W/WL/P ( Now Wl/m buff alt)
Currently Eldebil WD/W tank/dps or S/WD dps

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Sunday, August 4th 2013, 5:27am

interesting I know as a w/k I always do more dps with a 2h than a 1h but during pvp the 1h with a shield is usually better . 9 times out of ten white hits are a miss with a 2h for me. and pvp it to fast paced for the natural slowness of 2hders but pve I can pull crazy agro tanking w/k with a 2h axe

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Sunday, August 4th 2013, 6:51am

some more of my fail tanking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtHFmrEUv…jbn8CVpb_Z9oLXg Fayleod Post pdef increase
Chapter 2 Elfuerte M/R reroll s/r chapter 3
Chapter 4 Eldebil S/WD/R
Chapter 5 Mizettto C/R/M/W/WL/P ( Now Wl/m buff alt)
Currently Eldebil WD/W tank/dps or S/WD dps

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Monday, August 5th 2013, 2:58pm

Hello MIzetto,
very nice testing you are doing ;).
Although can I offer you a couple more suggestions to test?

Can you try to perform the fight not just using dps skills, but using Shock strike and Rune energy influx as well? The reason for this is I still need those aggro multipliers if I tank with my lvl 70 elite off (not every time I have proper healers in party).

Can you turn on the threat metter and check the aggro at the end of fight using 2-h hammer vs 1-h hammer and dagger (ofc Hatred X in each weapon). Just to know whether higher dps also means higher aggro in this case or not.

Can you test dps outside of the shield form? In my experience trigger chain drive outside of the shield form is pain in the .. even with 2 weapons, so with 2-h hammer it may be really rare.

Last question: do you use raid in dagger or only in hammers?
half retired until gameforge fix server lag.

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Monday, August 5th 2013, 11:55pm

I'll see what I can do about tanking without elite using shock strike/energy influx. I almost never do that I just run with d/wd to negate my healing debuff. When i use dual wield i have a raid X in mainhand and Raid IX in offhand. Also my dps outside of tank form is higher even if rune pulse never procs can hit 1m dps just shadow stab+rune overload cause in non tank form I get 300k patk using dmg food. So If/when rune pulse procs it hits for 2.2m crit.
Chapter 2 Elfuerte M/R reroll s/r chapter 3
Chapter 4 Eldebil S/WD/R
Chapter 5 Mizettto C/R/M/W/WL/P ( Now Wl/m buff alt)
Currently Eldebil WD/W tank/dps or S/WD dps

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Tuesday, August 6th 2013, 5:07am

Could you please tell me if your 2.2m crit rune pulse procs are pre buff or post buff bethh?

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Tuesday, August 6th 2013, 7:44am

No need to change your way of tanking cos of me :)
It can be any fight, I just want to know if it is possible keep rune overload runing with 2-h hammer and keep rage skills on cd at the same time.
As for damage outside of shield form, I was interested in comparison 1-h hammer + dagger vs 2-h hammer both outside the shield form. From my experiences spaming shadow stab left me without energy after a while, so my dps went down.

Not to mention some of our tanks have troubles with my aggro while I am using 2 recons already :D
half retired until gameforge fix server lag.

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Tuesday, August 6th 2013, 9:50am


Could you please tell me if your 2.2m crit rune pulse procs are pre buff or post buff bethh?
Post buff
My post buff 1h rune pulse procs hit around 1.6m
Chapter 2 Elfuerte M/R reroll s/r chapter 3
Chapter 4 Eldebil S/WD/R
Chapter 5 Mizettto C/R/M/W/WL/P ( Now Wl/m buff alt)
Currently Eldebil WD/W tank/dps or S/WD dps

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Friday, August 9th 2013, 9:05pm

So which is better for just solo questing? DW 1h-hammer/dagger or 2-h?
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Sunday, August 11th 2013, 7:23pm

So which is better for just solo questing? DW 1h-hammer/dagger or 2-h?
For questing and dps 2-h hammer unless you are fighting a boss that takes a while. For tanking or long fights, 1h-hammer and dagger in offhand. :)

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Tuesday, August 27th 2013, 12:06am

Imo it all depends on what mode you are in. If in normal mode, a 2h will almost always be higher dps then a 1h+dagger of equal tier and level. In Shield mode and tanking, then 1h+dagger will produce higher aggro. My Ch/r is level 80/79 and I have a t10 tatha for dps and a hammer of magic+dim (the dim light has a very good attack speed) for tanking.

Assuming you reach the requirements for bethh then you can do the following and almost never lose aggro. With Lute, Fire Training, Strong Stimulant, and Deadly Potion active at once begin the fight by hitting the Attack skill, Death Arrives and Rune Overload. Immediately hit your % aggro skills and go into shadowstab spam. Since you are sped up and duel wielding, you will always have rune pulse ready on instant(only dependent on gcd). Rune pulse increases aggro in itself and always keeping your % aggro skills on cd will almost guarantee you monster aggro.

Same principle in dps mode but with a 2h and no aggro mod skills. By the time your energy is depleted, the boss will be dead and if it isn't you can pop a potion of exquisite skill or a rage potion. The only down side is if your weapon skill is low and you miss too often. Remember it's much easier for ch/r to reach the P-attack cap in Bethh so with a 2h and a high Recon, there will be few to catch you on the scrutinizer.

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Tuesday, August 27th 2013, 2:52am

Actually, Rune Pulse is currently broken and does NOT add bonus aggro while in shield form -- I dps on c/wl in shield form spamming rune pulse. It generates aggro only because it does significantly more dmg then your other skills, not because it has aggro bonus on it.

1 dmg = approximately 1 point of aggro. Equip low level weapon, go to high level zone where you do not 1 shot monsters. Check aggro on thret meter and compare with damage done, you'll notice while in or out of shield form there is no difference.