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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 6:54pm

P\W....why you so neglected?

So, since coming back to the game from ch4, after the great scout nerf and rogue\\warmage gain, I've noticed that they still have done NOTHING with the battlemonk class. Why can't this class have it's elites reworked so we can compete with wardens\champions\rogues in siege? I can't kill them period.

We gotta get some love. Please Runewaker, help a monk out.

The 60 elite, gives me a 2k heal per hit, and when I'm buffed to 260k hp, that's worthless. I get a healing nerf from BMS, why would I get an additional crap heal to an attack that's frankly worthless in FSC.

I haven't even bothered getting my 70 elite. Getting 30 rage in siege is impossible with the current state of the game, and I doubt a 3 second stun will help me, when I have 107\107 1h axe and a 17% weapon accuracy bonus. I went into AC, and I was missing mobs 10 levels below me. MISSING, NOT DODGE, NOT PARRY, MISS.

Please, I ask that someone figure out a way to make p\w a more viable class. I currently am the weakest class in PvE, and I'm semi-ok in pvp.

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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 8:13pm

rage management in siege is tricky, but not impossible....I used to siege with some very good warriors, and they never had any trouble...between energy restore, rage pots, enrage, and tricks to stay in combat, rage should not be an issue...


while I agree the axe level for priests is abismal, I don't see why not having heals is such a big deal...many classes have horrid heals, and its part of the cost of rolling a bmonk...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 10:21pm

Would be nice if p/w was able to wear chain instead of that lame cloth patt mem gear with no crit
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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 1:24am

Agreed!!!

They gave that chain option to the Druid >.<, the bm has so much potential yet it's wasted due to elites that are horrible and lack of equipment, I have been toying with using a hammer as that has higher weapon skill than axe however it's alot of pa and crit to lose from an axe :/

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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 2:14am

Frankly, I don't care about the healing. I'd be cool with a 75% nerf if I'd get more damage. I didn't roll bmonk to heal. I just complain that there's a lack of equipment, skills, horrible elites that do no good, and a clear impression that no one cares that bmonk is a lackluster D- student in the RoM galleries.

If they are gonna make a class worthless, they should give a warning that it stinks and you will never do any endgame content, much less content 5 levels around whatever the level cap is. I will never be welcome in a Beth HM, much less a normal run. I won't see the inside of Belathis until I'm 85 at a minimum.

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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 2:30am

P/W has been like this for a long time now. Better to just reroll.
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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 4:54am

P/W has been like this for a long time now. Better to just reroll.
K\M doesn't have to reroll. I shouldn't have to spend another 400 dollars to make a new toon. So no. Fix my toon.

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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 5:27am

1 Thing I want to know... You went through all the work of gearing a P/W and nobody ever told you that P/W is one of the worst classes in the game?

Should they fix it? yes.
Is it likely that they will? Nope, sorry.
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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 2:25pm

P/W worked very well indeed back in Chapter 1. Once level cap started to rise above 50, that's when things started to go wrong...

The level 50 elite skill should be a passive that allows the P/W to wear chain (or leather at least!) and also has the same attributes of the Fire Fairy buff. This would really fix most of the P/W problems, imo.
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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 8:01pm

lol, I want all the money I spent on my scout back too then...

seriously, p/w has been gimped for a while, so its nothing new...fun as heck, but not very viable...just like me playing scout...

give them chain and a higher weapon skill, and they would be fine....

fairies are a issue for all priests, so that's not p/w specific...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 10:42pm

fairies are a issue for all priests, so that's not p/w specific...

I couldn't agree with you more. I have options of P/S, P/M, P/W and P/R and the level 50 elite is hardly ever used on any of them!
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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 12:46am

fairies are a issue for all priests, so that's not p/w specific...

I couldn't agree with you more. I have options of P/S, P/M, P/W and P/R and the level 50 elite is hardly ever used on any of them!
P/R fairy is amazing. 10% matk ftw. ^^
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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 2:21am

Even though I went back to my k/m after the knight rebuild, I still love my P/W.

tbh, the only real thing that P/W needs is the same as any priest lvl 50+... a non-gimped fairy. Just make them immune to anything ( perma-conceal ) and the P/W has some of the highest spammable dps skills in the game. Rage is easy, even in siege... Aoth Valiance Cape for 100 rage? yeah... that's 3 ADS's w/ over 200k crit hits. Then you have like 700% EFS's for mana ( which is nearly unlimited to any priest ).

The most important thing is to eschew healing altogether for this build. I know there are people that are attracted to a healing class that does physical dps, but to build that kind of hybrid is ... well, worthless. You won't ever dps well enough & never heal enough. & if you want a healing priest, there are much better combos for that.

So yeah, weapon level isn't that high @ 97 or so... & crit is tough to get, I think my p/w was around 65% p-crit. When I stopped playing my p/w, I believe I had lvl 75 gear; but it was still hella fun to play :) I chose that build for the ability to physically dps w/ 5 secs of invulnerability & the ability to heal everyone to full in 1 skill.

Would I mind getting more utility out this combo? sure. Is it truly "broken"? Not really, if you want a fun class to play.

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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 3:37am


Is it truly "broken"? Not really, if you want a fun class to mess around with but never actually be endgame or amazing in siege war.
Fixed the typo for you. I was the first on the U.S. side to take a p/w as a serious endgame possibility way back and loved it (Daz was the best p/w this game ever saw, he took my ideas and put the money into his toon that I was unable to do and became endgame at 62) and when they messed up the fairy the battle-monk died. I loved playing it, but it can not be an endgame toon so what is the point? Which is the question you had to ask yourself and is why you ultimately ended up back on your k/m.

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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 3:53am

I'm back w/ k/m so I could better tank for our guild. I used to tank w/ my p/w, but we all know that without any aggro generation except for dps that's kinda difficult. But I did tank all of kbne w/ my p/w @ lvl 75. I know that doesn't say much, but *shrugs* it was fun enough. As well as sieging, p/w was always fun to play w/ 250k pdef, 120 mdef, 100k+ patk I know that isn't much now, but it was plenty good back when we sieged. :)

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Friday, December 27th 2013, 9:11pm

I'm back w/ k/m so I could better tank for our guild. I used to tank w/ my p/w, but we all know that without any aggro generation except for dps that's kinda difficult. But I did tank all of kbne w/ my p/w @ lvl 75. I know that doesn't say much, but *shrugs* it was fun enough. As well as sieging, p/w was always fun to play w/ 250k pdef, 120 mdef, 100k+ patk I know that isn't much now, but it was plenty good back when we sieged. :)


You show me or teach me how to get my stats up that high and I will continue playing my p/w. I love it as a toon. But as far as playability goes it does suck compared to others. I was honestly kinda po'ed when Druids got chain and we got not even leather. Just a fat nothing but I would love to be able to at least farm kbne at least.

So a little hlp here so I don't have to give up my toon completely.

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Friday, December 27th 2013, 11:32pm

http://board.us.runesofmagic.gameforge.com/board272-runes-of-magic-us-au/board339-archive/board544-multi-class-discussion/board581-priest/76890-what-i-d-like-to-see-for-battlemonk-elite-changes/index2.html

In that thread, there should be a post w/ a link to my google drive that had screenshots ... 22 of them or so that showed the gear that I had on my p/w, Twerp, last Christmas.

I think there were a couple more screenshots later on in the thread that showed patk w/ lvl 41 berserk & then attack sigil ( just for kicks ).

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Tuesday, December 31st 2013, 8:45am

The P/W combo is neglected, but not by Runewaker. But by the people who play the PRIEST/warrior as a warrior in Cloth gear.

The way you play a class-combo the way you see it, does not mean it is the way the developer sees it ;)



If you want to wear leather or even chain, switch to Warrior/Priest and never look back.



Recently I've regeard my Battlemonk from full PDD to a more hybrid approach in other words:
I went from mem-cloth gear with melee ghost stats to healer gear with melee stats. In Instances I am a healer, not a DD, while outside instances I am a pdd.

Currently I'm lvl 80/76 and I run around in Sarlo with lvl 72, 75 and a few pieces lvl 77 Shell healer gear, most of which is not plussed or statted! and still I walk away from killed mobs with 100% HP!

Few stats about my Battlemonk fully self-buffed: (with BMS, P-Bu, GoL, AA, Cond Rage)

44K HP
5K Pdmg
18K Patt
52K Pdeff
51K Mdeff

Using a Original Sin +9 T4 :)

Condensed Rage gives me 17K HP back, while FSC (with the lvl 60 elite) gives 4,5K HP per succesfull hit so 2 hits equals 9K

In a timeframe of 30 sec, that sums up to 4x 9K = 36K HP return totalling it all to 53K HP return every 30 sec.
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Tuesday, December 31st 2013, 4:01pm

Let us know how you stack up against anyone else in endgame. You can't do hybrid in this game, just doesn't work. You become gimped because there just isn't enough space for enough stats to make it work.

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Tuesday, December 31st 2013, 5:31pm

You mean PVP or SW, don't do either of them. SW perhaps once every 2 months, reason being that SW is broken imho. I see ppl with tons of pdef getting 1 hitted by (perhaps not so fair playing) players.



For the rest, I do not complain. nor do I get any complaints. :) On the other hand, at least I'm trying to find a way to make the Battlemonk viable in End Game instead of complaining how the class is broken. (reminds me of past complaints about the Knight/Mage being broken until some one tried it with full mage-gear)



And hybrid cannot be done? I never heard of someone (except me) trying it, besides that, as a f2p player I got nothing to loose except some gold, tokens and a lot of time ;)





Wishing you nonetheless all the best for the new year, and let us Battlemonks hope that Runewaker will give some hints about our classcombo.
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