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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 5:14pm

Mage crit rate in Beth Normal

I've noticed for the past few runs that at 72% crit rate, my average crit rate on boss (aside from B4, that one has 0 crit resist) is only around 18%. I often 15 flames non-crits in a row...
However, other classes seem to crit 30%-40% just fine with around 70% crit rate. Is mage crit rate just especially low?
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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 5:26pm

When I run with my guildies I usually crit around 45% of the time, with a low 67% crit rate. Keep in mind, the crit shown on your character sheet is against EQUAL level mobs/players, this doesn't include bosses. You can usually average about 10% less on bosses than what your character sheet says. So if you have 72%, you can count on about 60-65% on bosses on a good day. Not sure if it has much to do with it, but I also noticed that when I am below 135-140k attack I tend to crit less than if I am above 150k. There are some runs where I crit almost never and others where I crit almost everytime, so I think there is some randomness in there too.

Also, if you don't have it, I suggest the Crit Counter addon. It's good for showing your actual crit rates, not what your character sheet says.

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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 5:46pm

I use Scrut to see crit rates, and simple damage log too, but ty.

The only time I have ever critted 50-60% is on Boss 4, which still has no crit resist. I think the highest I've ever critted aside from that boss is around 35%. I usually have around 140k matk in Bethn with Mdam food during burn. Going to try matk food next time.

wtb more beth luck lol.
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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 9:05pm

IDK about mages in Beth but that is about what i do as a rogue in beth :-\ Crit rate just drops off in there. I have around a 36% actual crit rate on bosses (using the crit rate addon that floats around on the forums). My char screen crit rate isa bout 70% and i use crit pots on boss fights.

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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 10:53pm

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I use Scrut to see crit rates, and simple damage log too, but ty.

The only time I have ever critted 50-60% is on Boss 4, which still has no crit resist. I think the highest I've ever critted aside from that boss is around 35%. I usually have around 140k matk in Bethn with Mdam food during burn. Going to try matk food next time.

wtb more beth luck lol.

I use simple damage log and scrut, although they are both good, they don't compile all your attacks to find out your real time crit rates. It's far too much work to go looking into scrut and analyze at the end of the day how often you're critting. I am somewhat biased since the crit counter addon was something I suggested, but I firmly believe that it can be very beneficial. It can show you when your crit starts to drop off, it can show your crit before boss burns, ect. It will give you a much better overall view of your actual crits.

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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 12:44am

When you said you crit 45% of the time, was that just boss, or mobs and bosses overall?
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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 2:35am

I usually crit 20-30% of the time in beth, no matter what difficult is. B4 is the exception, I can hit 70-80%. I got 69.3% crit chance unbuffed, and fullybuffed around 75-76%. In belathis is even worse, I crit 15-30% AND get resisted by 8-15% of the time with 6k maccuracy, druid buff and accuracy rune. I've noticed that magic dps crit less than physical does even with the same crit rate, and get resisted more frequently than physical misses. And this gotten worse since Bedim came up and they made trash mobs/bosses 4-5 lvl above lvl cap instead of the 2-3 lvls that used to be

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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 2:44am

yeah the fact that physical can afk up their hit chance while mages cant is a little weak. I mean we gotta rely on runes/wisdom etc... just not cool.

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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 4:58am

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When you said you crit 45% of the time, was that just boss, or mobs and bosses overall?

Entire runs.

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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 5:15am

No wonder lol. I crit quite a bit on the mobs too. What about just for boss?
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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 6:46am

We did some Bethh tonight and my crit was about 38%, bosses only.

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Thursday, December 26th 2013, 4:01pm

I crit about the same as Ziav on Warlock. I am not sure if the class makes any difference. I have 72% crit on my character screen. Really you cannot complain to much about crits in beth as the mdef on bosses is crazy weak. Magic users have a decent advantage there already.

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Friday, December 27th 2013, 7:09pm

Ruise. I agree with you. In beth norm as I'm m/wd I use crit food and not casting food to get as many crits as possible. I have 70% crit unbuffed so around 75% buffed. And what I notice I get around 3 crits out of 25 flames during those 5 sec. I'm still coming out to be on top of a scrut... but It's just like wow only 3 crits... And also my mattack is 170k when I'm buffed so it doesn't have to do anything with mattack. I guess It's just all luck...

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Friday, December 27th 2013, 8:20pm

Could it be the skill itself? I am just thinking outloud but is it possible flame crits less than say lightning?

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Friday, December 27th 2013, 8:27pm

I would say attack DOES play a part in it, though I can't confirm it. When my guild started farming Bethn, if I was below 135k attack, my crit would be awful (maybe 20% on a good run); however when I stacked attack food and buffed to over 150k my crit shot up. Granted they were on multiple runs, but this was the case over weeks of farming, not just a few select runs.

Using the simple damage log, what I notice is I might crit on my first few flames, then maybe 5-6 non crits, then a group of crits all right in a row. This is only on bosses though.

Something to consider though, as a mage/warlock I lower the defense of the mobs when I crit with Flame. Once I do start to crit, I tend to crit more with each flame. So I'm thinking that the mdef/pdef is a mitigating factor in how often people crit. It will of course take some testing to figure it out, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this was the case.

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Friday, December 27th 2013, 10:07pm

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Could it be the skill itself? I am just thinking outloud but is it possible flame crits less than say lightning?
I don't think so. On mobs, my instances crit as often as Flame.

Tried Crit Pot yesterday, at 76% crit. First 2 bosses I was able to crit around 30%, which is a bit more than what I usually crit for. But third boss, only critted around 15% or so, and 4th critted 40%, about 5-10% less than what I usually crit on that boss.

So, looks like back to Arcane pot for me. Also tried matk food, and didn't see much difference in crits between 140k ish matk using Mdam and 175k ish matk using matk food. Although I seem to hit for the same damage on both, so I guess I'll use matk incase Ziav is right ^^
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Friday, December 27th 2013, 10:18pm

I will do some testing myself this weekend also to avoid the in-laws. It will be from the warlock side but Ill make sure to use some of the mage side skills.

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