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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 6:09am

r/m skill ignores los?

Came upon a r/m tonight in siege who was killing through wall, through ceiling of castle etc with a skill called enlivened throw. Anyone else seen this and is it intended? Reminds me of scouts before the los fix.



Edit....I did mean gate as me and a guildy were in front of gate first time he got us roof last time.
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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 6:24am

Yes I have also heard of this. Enlivened blade is like thunderstorm, its a location based aoe, and it does indeed ignore Los. I think this should be fixed, and the fix would be super easy -- just use same Los for thunderstorm or other aoes and fixed. This is, assuming, that the enemies that are doing it actually see the walls.

I've walked up to castles and due to slow video loading, not actually seen castle walls, and can see all the buildings inside clear as day. If there was a way to flat out prevent the loading of the castle walls, lag or not, you could easily shoot through walls that your client thinks don't exist.

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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 7:03am


I've walked up to castles and due to slow video loading, not actually seen castle walls, and can see all the buildings inside clear as day. If there was a way to flat out prevent the loading of the castle walls, lag or not, you could easily shoot through walls that your client thinks don't exist.
They increased the minimum view distance a few patches ago, and since then that hasn't happened for me.
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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 8:16am

The problem with it is that it works EXACTLY like tstorm, which also still hits through gates. ground target aoes have always ignored LOS issues through gates, walls, and ceillings. So skills like thunderstorm, enlivened blade, heal skills like healing arrows, etc all break LOS.

EDIT: SORRY it does not ignore walls. My bad.

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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 10:58am

And from the dwarf section we can mention Imprisonment Pulse, which works exactly the same way, or Kinetic burn and Rune Overload, which both can hit you on the lower level of wall or through gate as well.

On the other hand, those aoe skills are the best way how to destroy traps placed into texture...
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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 3:59pm

So it is a targeted aoe? Now I see how it does that. First time for me seeing that. Thanks for info. Is its range like tstorm?
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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 6:38pm

So it is a targeted aoe? Now I see how it does that. First time for me seeing that. Thanks for info. Is its range like tstorm?

It has 200 Range, i think Tstrom was the same? But tstrom has no cool down, Enlivended blade is a 12 second CD.

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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 6:52pm

I thought thunderstorm couldn't be used beyond castle walls because you can't see inside -- you can however see inside gates. If what darwec says is true, why don't I hear of more mages thunderstorming procs and other buildings down from outside? Is it something people just don't know about?

I know thundestorm hits all things above and below the area, and within the target circle regardless of LOS, but to place the target circle itself, don't you need to have LoS?

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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 7:22pm

I thought thunderstorm couldn't be used beyond castle walls because you can't see inside -- you can however see inside gates. If what darwec says is true, why don't I hear of more mages thunderstorming procs and other buildings down from outside? Is it something people just don't know about?

I know thundestorm hits all things above and below the area, and within the target circle regardless of LOS, but to place the target circle itself, don't you need to have LoS?

No im sorry, i expalined myself poorly. you are correct, it does not go through walls. You cant do either Enlivened blade or TS through walls. you can do it through the standard gates and up walls because you can move the target circle up walls. It also can go through cellings because..idk why that works but it does. It does not IGNORE los. It just does not register the gate as a solid object so you can get hit in the face through a gate.

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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 8:01pm

Ah so the OP is slightly incorrect then? He/she specifically said walls, so I thought there was something special about enlivened blade. When OP says "killing through wall" they really meant "killing inside castle near a gate" I guess.

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Thursday, January 2nd 2014, 10:31pm

Whilest me done hast been killered thru the gates by those silly OP r/m an their skills, they also CAN hit yer thru the walls as well. Had this happen one night whilest keepin the keep gate healed up, the R/M stood in that outside corner an hit us every 12 sec. As the range be farther than me heals, the only thing ter do twas ter taker the hit, heal up, an get back on the gate. Still, it clearly twas an attack THRU the wall o our keep.

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Friday, January 3rd 2014, 2:19am

I think we need to be careful here defining what we mean by through walls.

Things i have seen happen with EB:
I can go UP a wall (hit on top of castles)
I can hit THROUGH a gate.
I have NOT been able to hit though the castle walls to damage someone.

Lem: you were healing a gate correct? I dont believe there is anywhere you can stand to heal the gate that blocks LOS. The rogue most likely shot you through the GATE and not the wall? I have never been able to do damage to a player through a wall, as the wall counts as an obstruction. The mouse cursor will travel up the wall and damage will be done either on the wall, or up the wall.

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Friday, January 3rd 2014, 3:18am

I think we need to be careful here defining what we mean by through walls.

Things i have seen happen with EB:
I can go UP a wall (hit on top of castles)
I can hit THROUGH a gate.
I have NOT been able to hit though the castle walls to damage someone.

Lem: you were healing a gate correct? I dont believe there is anywhere you can stand to heal the gate that blocks LOS. The rogue most likely shot you through the GATE and not the wall? I have never been able to do damage to a player through a wall, as the wall counts as an obstruction. The mouse cursor will travel up the wall and damage will be done either on the wall, or up the wall.
There is in fact a few places you can stand to heal and gate and not be affected by LOS. Before anyone asks, no I won't tell you where, just that there is.

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Friday, January 3rd 2014, 3:21am

there are ways of removing the castle model itself...not gonna expand, as it is a no-n...not sure if this is what is happening, but can be a possibility...
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Friday, January 3rd 2014, 4:24am

I think we need to be careful here defining what we mean by through walls.

Things i have seen happen with EB:
I can go UP a wall (hit on top of castles)
I can hit THROUGH a gate.
I have NOT been able to hit though the castle walls to damage someone.

Lem: you were healing a gate correct? I dont believe there is anywhere you can stand to heal the gate that blocks LOS. The rogue most likely shot you through the GATE and not the wall? I have never been able to do damage to a player through a wall, as the wall counts as an obstruction. The mouse cursor will travel up the wall and damage will be done either on the wall, or up the wall.
There is in fact a few places you can stand to heal and gate and not be affected by LOS. Before anyone asks, no I won't tell you where, just that there is.

Alright, thats just as sketchy as the whole los issue itself, but ok.

Both issues should just be fixed. All gates should just be replaced with solid doors. problem solved.

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Friday, January 3rd 2014, 2:43pm

If it lays down a target circle like tstorm the it could very well hit you even if your out of sight healing from where lemon refers to. I've seen tstorm hit towers just around the corner out of actual sight but within a circle.
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Friday, January 3rd 2014, 7:07pm

Right, with TS and so i assume EB, you target with the center of the aoe, so you can hit someone "thru" the wall, but you really aren't, you are just catching them within the circle of the aoe by targeting near them. And yes, mages can and have taken down buildings near gates with TS.
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Friday, January 3rd 2014, 10:16pm

This is still just an easy fix for everyone. This is a problem thats been showing up since forever, just make the gate solid. Then the only problem is people dpsing UP or DOWN walls.