Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Darwec"

Over the past few nights I've met an increasing number of rogues calling me or my guildies a god sighter. Let me make this clear to you: Ive played rogue for my whole stay in this game. I've shown my guild how to counter them. So here is what is really happening.

A lot of the time, you just aren't in hide. Rogues get knocked out of hide by a lot of skills running out. So a) you just lost a buff b) you got knocked out of hide because of it c) i combo throwed you in the face after you lost some buff. Insult to injury? Maybe. God sight? Nope.

Sometimes i pass over you and tell my guild to aoe ontop of me, or ill pop aoes myself. I happened to knock a rogue out of hide with phantom stab once when I went to kill tower guards. Stuff happens. Sorry you got aoed.

I put electric towers and eyes everywhere for most sw's. Electrics basically silence everyone and knock rogues out of hide (unless they are under the effects of cake or escape) so they are pretty awesome defenses. Even if you are under the effects of escape or cake, i can see where the electric bolts are shooting out to. If there is nothing there, well hi there rogue.

So there are some tips on how i find people.

Then of course there are the people who have a rogue targeted from a long distance away while the rogue is in hide. Target rouge in hide, click a different target, back to rogue in hide. There are also the ones who when no one is around will suddenly stop and backtrack, no where near the rogue, yet the somehow knew the rogue was there.

Yes, there are legit ways to see rogues in hide, but 90% or more of the time this is NOT the case. I've watched a guildie get targeted while in hide and standing behind a solid object with no one in the area visible, so I know its being done.

One more way I would like to add would be when a rogue is running around visible and someone with a ranged skill which waits on the animation before actually hitting them casts one of these skills, then the rogue sees the caster and goes into hide and blam, the animation hits him/her. (Some warlock animations are weird so you don't even see a traveling animation ever)

Quoted from "Darwec"

Quoted from "Ziav"

Quoted from "Darwec"

Over the past few nights I've met an increasing number of rogues calling me or my guildies a god sighter. Let me make this clear to you: Ive played rogue for my whole stay in this game. I've shown my guild how to counter them. So here is what is really happening.

A lot of the time, you just aren't in hide. Rogues get knocked out of hide by a lot of skills running out. So a) you just lost a buff b) you got knocked out of hide because of it c) i combo throwed you in the face after you lost some buff. Insult to injury? Maybe. God sight? Nope.

Sometimes i pass over you and tell my guild to aoe ontop of me, or ill pop aoes myself. I happened to knock a rogue out of hide with phantom stab once when I went to kill tower guards. Stuff happens. Sorry you got aoed.

I put electric towers and eyes everywhere for most sw's. Electrics basically silence everyone and knock rogues out of hide (unless they are under the effects of cake or escape) so they are pretty awesome defenses. Even if you are under the effects of escape or cake, i can see where the electric bolts are shooting out to. If there is nothing there, well hi there rogue.

So there are some tips on how i find people.

Then of course there are the people who have a rogue targeted from a long distance away while the rogue is in hide. Target rouge in hide, click a different target, back to rogue in hide. There are also the ones who when no one is around will suddenly stop and backtrack, no where near the rogue, yet the somehow knew the rogue was there.

Yes, there are legit ways to see rogues in hide, but 90% or more of the time this is NOT the case. I've watched a guildie get targeted while in hide and standing behind a solid object with no one in the area visible, so I know its being done.

Actually 90% of the the complaints are just people whining. here are some other ways i failed to mention: if you stand ontop of a players pet (Warden or other wise) the player shares the pets sight which accounts for a lot of the getting seen from far away nonsense. in my whole time playing, ive met maybe 2 or 3 players god sighting. Its pretty rare.

On average I run into at least one god sighter every siege. It happens a lot more than you think. Can't even say it's from the point difference between our guilds (running into different people) because I probably ran into it half a dozen times while in your guild. It's everywhere.

I have close to 30 screenshots of people targetting me and those are from when I'm lucky enough to 1) target the person targetting me 2) hit print screen in time before they drop target 3) hit print screen before either of us die

30 screenshots out of maybe 15-20% of the people I actually catch targetting me, let alone all the ones I don't tab to or all the rogues doing it from hide.

It's sad really.

I have had this happen to me a few times by a particular guild from Palenque, even got fraps of it, though no point linking it here, a gm will just remove the link.

I agree with Darwec. I've seen very few godsighters (we have a lot of rogues and they immediately nerdrage when someone sees them in hide ). And I'm usually in an illusion tower most of the time as soon as we get crystals, and have rarely been seen while invisible. I've only actually met 5 godsighters in 2013. But then again, my guild's points is down there in the "relaxed" siege bracket maybe people take siege less seriously.

I've backed up against rogue many times, because either
a) I see their pet
b) They have some numbers ticking on their head
c) They're just too impatient to walk around in hide, so they jump in hide when they see someone and still expect that nobody will know that they're there -_-

Or sometimes I just back up because i decided I don't want to go that direction anymore and my right hand is holding a drink or food, so I can't turn easily with my mouse.

Quoted from "Darwec"

@TWMXC im not saying it doesn't happen, but I see players running godsight maybe once a week. I have entire guilds screaming hacks almost every other day. Sometimes you just have to point out that people just dont know how to play.

O.O I made an entire thread explaining different "tricks" in siege war for the same reason. People still call hacks because they are too ignorant to come up with possible explanations of certain happenings. QQ

@ previous posters: screen shots of someone clearly targetting you in hide is always a good thing. You can try to submit them but I'm unsure if that will change anything. However, this thread isn't to say "omg no one uses godsight you nabs!" -- the purpose is to say that not EVERY time a rogue gets hit while in hide is an instance of godsighting.

I also don't see many instances of godsighting, if any at all. Most can be explained with something simple like "an electric tower or an Eye of True Knowledge was nearby", or communication from other players. Again, I'm not trying to say it doesn't happen, but finding godsighting players every siege seems a little crazy to me, since I hardly ever see it.

It would be nice if that could be prevented all together, but I have a feeling that's been asked for for a very long time.

it's always funny when I run on scout and see a rogue that failed to notice either I was a scout or I had detection up, and try and sneak around me...then call hax when I pew-pew them to death from range...

Quoted from "Cike"

it's always funny when I run on scout and see a rogue that failed to notice either I was a scout or I had detection up, and try and sneak around me...then call hax when I pew-pew them to death from range...

rofl I used to see that so often in my old guild. For some reason, everyone thinks he's a mage even though he's a S/Wd.

sometimes they lose detection cause they don't die for 10 minutes and it wears off. This happened to me a few times the past week.

A couple of my own observations. There are many rogues that just do not understand how invisibility works. It breaks when loose buffs, I know where you are if you have a pet following you or if you have Yawaka's Blessing ticking over your head or if I see you on the bridge and I watch you go invis and guess which way you are going. I go to siege as scout, and I guess we are rare in siege, because from time to time I have to explain that I CAN see them invisible. But with all that said, I have see a dramatic increase the use of ***** hack. One guild we confronted about it just laughed and told us to report them all we wanted, that they had no fear of being banned. The toon that told us that then proceeded to run at warp speed and jump into the castle. We had a rogue in our castle that we killed multiple times in our castle that claimed that he hid in our castle after the gates went down. The gate only went down once, and we watched him rez out. I get attacked by melee classes that are constantly during the combat at my back

I agree with you Darwec, i'm a rogue myself, and actually could say i've never confirmed any godsighters. I probably faced one or another, but even as a rogue i can find other rogues, so why other ppl can't find me right? For some ppl, seem like being inside an invisi tower in siege will make them gods and unkilable while they stay there, even though they aren't even hidden.

About the targetting while invis, for me that's how it happens: Someone is targetting me, from far, i go hidden, but in my interface he's still targetting me, maybe a glitch or something. but for him I actually vanished. So ppl might misunderstand it as him targetting you while hidden.

i might have missed it in this post, but, another thing are the warden pets who won't lose target if you go hidden, and they'll hunt you down untill his master send him somewhere else or the pet runs out of range.

Something else to consider:

If, for example, you're a rogue and happen to get killed within range of your own castle, when you rez the player who killed you will STILL have you targeted. This presumes, of course, that the player hasn't yet changed targets or hasn't clicked on the ground to move.

When you exit the castle, you're still targeted and if the player expects you to come back to the same area (and has a ranged attack available), all he has to do is cast the attack. he'll automatically move to range and boom, you're hit. Again. And again. The targeting range (or continued targeting) has a rather long range. I've killed players in the middle section of the map, watched them rez out, and they remain targeted for me until I go after something else. It makes no difference what their class is--they're still targeted.

The only way I know of (as a rogue) to stop being auto-targeted in this way is to use Vanish. That removes you from combat for a period of time and allows you to get into Hide again. But...most rogues don't like "wasting" Vanish in this way since it has a 10 minute cooldown. Meh. If you're constantly being targeted by the same player, use it.

Oh, and if you find Ruisen hiding in an invisi tower? Drop an Eye, watch him get stunned, then kill him.

darwec, most scouts can't manage focus properly, and detection is a *relatively* huge focus cost to keep up all the time...I personally don't have problems, but I know lots of people that do...it is purely a lrn2play issue...

also, like some1 else said: sometimes it may run out or u may accidently cancel it(running out of focus cancels buff), and not realize it...

From what I have noticed in my limited time as a rogue, 6 mos give or take, it seems that maybe hide ought to be levelable past 50. What i see is after 50 hide is pureley a novelty. at lvl cap, i might as well not be in hide, with hide maxed to 50 because i consistently see players and mobs run at me as if im not in hide, at all. from long distances even. any other rogues notice this lately?

the actual level of hide has no impact with the distance from which people can see you. this was actually explained by me and a couple others in great detail on a scout detection thread.

the only advantage you get form leveling hide is increased move speed. everything after that is depended upon target/self level.

I understand what your saying cike. What I'm saying is hide, =level to level toons see me as if I have a blinking red light on my head. For example last night I was at enemy tower waiting for guard to spawn. In hide. Had been for minutes. Watched a k/m jump off thier castle wall running straight for me. Targeted me soon as he was in range and boom. All while in hide. I get people seeing me when we are close or cross paths but more and more I think hide is ineffective beyond lvl 50.