Runes of Magic US / AU

Last I tested on k/r (which was a long time ago), none of the k/r elite skills yield bonus aggro.

Whirlwind shield has a x10 aggro multiplier, the highest multiplier of all knight skills. Truth shield bash is the highest dps knight skill and i *think* it has a x5 aggro bonus. Don't quote me on that though. The point being that those two shield skills generate the most aggro.

Whether its worth it or not really depends on how much damage you gain. You would need to actually make the weapons and test this out yourself...meaning how much aggro you generate using each weapon set to see if they are equal or not.

Unless you gain a significant amount of damage, it won't be worth it because you'll be losing your biggest Aggro skills. While being able to use a second hatred rune "appears" awesome, it only yields 19% more aggro (100% base + 136 from threaten +54 from 1 hatred gives 290~, 54 on top of that is less then 20% more). Not to mention that shields allow you to use shield of discipline and shield of valor, both very strong skills for survival. Lastly, remember that due to shield mastery, 1 shield gives you something like 90k pdef (30k base x 1.63 shield master x 1.65 Enhanced armor x1.1 pet def skill )...that's a lot to make up for in simply tiering armor.

This is what you will have to do better than if you want to forgo your shield.

Aggro multipliers stack, so...

Crafted Aggro pot +25%, Hatred Rune X +54%, Holy Power Explosion Lvl 80, +50%, Threaten LvL 50 +115%, WWS +1000%

1.25 * 1.54 * 1.5 * 2.15 * 10 = 62* your damage in aggro. So on a 10k hit with WWS at the end of the rotation you are generating 620k agro.

(The above is buried in the tanking forums somewhere, most likely on the EU side)

Threaten overrides crafted (or mem) aggro pots. Also remmeber that no shield = no whirlwind shield, amberwave xD

When you find the time or willpower, I do recommend doing a thorough test with dual wielding though. As I said, if you gain enough damage from dual wielding you might be able to get away with it assuming you're remainind pdef and hp is high enough to tank w/e instance you want to run. We can throw down as much theory as possible, but we won't know for sure until someone actually tries it out -- it might turn out that dual wielding is better for aggro generation, despite losing your best aggro skills.

That is what I meant. If he wants to forgo, not use, a shield, he is going to have to figure out how to make up for the *10 aggro modifier he will lose. That is a lot of damage to generate with an off hand weapon. I do not think it can be done, but I believe there is just as much value proving something does not work as there is in proving something does work, adding to our overall knowledge base. Test it out, and submit some results for sure. Try using taunts to hold aggro and see if the true damage is worth while. Try some weapons with faster speeds or that have higher magic damage. Knowledge is power.

Does Threaten override all aggro pots or just the mem ones?

It overrides crafted, all mem/codex, and housekeeper aggro pots. Unless there's some i missed, that yes, it overrides all.

Quoted from "Amberwave"

Does Threaten override all aggro pots or just the mem ones?

i am pretty sure it overwrites at least both mem and crafted.

edit: blank beat me :P

Does that mean that Knights have no use for aggro pots? Threaten can always be running.

Many knights use aggro pots just at the start of their burn phase. The reason being that the few skills before threaten will have a slightly bigger aggro boost this way. If you can't hold aggro at the very start of a fight, fighting to get it back will be tough later on.